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Hello all,

Does anyone here host a website that offers paid memberships? If so I'd like to find out a bit of info from you either on these forums or through private messages.

I am particularly interested in the average expected monthly subscriptions based on a certain monthly advertising budget eg: $1000 (Given a quality service and a membership that is worth it ofcourse !). Also is PPC effective in the return of Paid Memberships rather than free memberships? Or is there other avenues that better target paid memberships rather than free ones.

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I have my own $97 / month membership and also create these products for people and have been doing for the last 4 years (this is SO my area of expertise!) ... I've worked with some of the biggest names in the Australian and US markets and let me tell you this ... unless you've got a good $5,000+ to spend on (real .. not just whats his face who charges a couple of hundred bucks to put some keywords on your website ... ) SEO experts and online marketers, or are willing to spend around the same on your own education, don't look to online marketing as your main source of product sales

99% of businesses will get better results utilising what they already have ... their current list, contacts, potential partnerships, speaking opportunities, telemarketing ... by using these you MAKE the money to spend on the SEO and online marketing to make the whole thing a bit more passive.

It's the biggest mistake I see in my industry ... people put something together (normally without talking to their marketplace or considering their value proposition first) ... write their own copy ... then try and throw some PPC ads up ... try their hand at SEO ... go to a few free marketing courses ... and wonder how on earth they could have ended up spending thousands of dollars creating a product and yet haven't sold a single membership ...

*shakes head*

KILLS me!

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Hello all,

Does anyone here host a website that offers paid memberships? If so I'd like to find out a bit of info from you either on these forums or through private messages.

I am particularly interested in the average expected monthly subscriptions based on a certain monthly advertising budget eg: $1000 (Given a quality service and a membership that is worth it ofcourse !). Also is PPC effective in the return of Paid Memberships rather than free memberships? Or is there other avenues that better target paid memberships rather than free ones.
What sort of paid membership is it, may I ask? Is it for an online service? Or offline? There's a huge difference with both of them.

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I have my own $97 / month membership and also create these products for people and have been doing for the last 4 years (this is SO my area of expertise!) ...
Out of interest Leela is it possible to make money with a membership site and not charge $97/month? What is the magical significance of $97?

While I'm here why do you have to create a huge scrolling never ending page with lots of different fonts, sections highlighted in yellow, fake testimonials etc to sell the program?

Personally when I see one of these pages it really turns me off and I think its a nasty get rich quick scheme. I know plenty of people are selling good products (like you ofcourse!) but it seems to me anyway that a briefer page with good copy should sell just as well? When I get to the stage of marketing my web-hosting combined with great membership site I really want to stand out from the crowd and not have it look like I am just trying to make money online by telling people about making money online by making money from them online!

Sorry for leading this post a bit off topic!

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The reason for the fonts, and highlights are to create an immediate want, and to speak to the customers subconscious immediately.

Leela can charge whatever she wants, depending on the customers wants and needs.

About marketers that make money by teaching people how to make money by selling their ebooks or whatever - the truth is that's the way it is. And people make money this way. The difference between the good and the bad are usually based on the perception of the author, and the skills.

It take skills to write, teach, and do something that Leela does, and lots and lots of experience, if she's doing it with a live audience.

Whatever, it could also be a two edged sword

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Dave - why? Well, after four years of spending $100k on my education being mentored by some of the best speakers and internet marketers in the world I've found that they've all said the same thing.

Because it works.

Personally, I think I'd be a moron to argue with large groups of internet multi-millionaires about how to make money online. So I don't. I do as I'm told and I get a VERY good result from it.

If you want to test doing it another way and you have an outstanding result from it, I'd love to hear about it.

But personally, I'm not willing to risk changing what works until I see proof that another way will work better. I test changes one at a time as I see things I like or come up with ideas that I think will work.

But at the end of the day it's not about what I think ... or what I feel when I open one of those websites - it's about what my clients think and feel. And so long as they are buying, I'm not going to freaking question 'em! They know what they want better than I do!

Meanwhile, none of my testimonials are fake - I have phone numbers for every single one of them and permission from all of them for prospective clients to call to ask all the questions they like.

Seems to me like you've got a bit of work to do on your mindset. If you think that the only way people are making money online is by using
"fake testimonials" and "get rich quick scams" - then it's going to be VERY hard for you to make money online ... sure, there are people who do that crap. And those people get found out VERY quickly. It's actually a very small community - and I create a LOT of the products that these guys are selling (that's my business) - so I can tell you first hand that the quality is freaking OUTSTANDING and that these guys REALLY care about the results their clients are getting.

No magical significance to $97.

Could as easily be $47.

$37.

$17.

Research shows that online, "7's" sell better.

I highly recommend doing some research into the basics of online marketing - you can learn a lot from other people's successes (and failures!) - and much of the basic, introductory stuff is available for free, online.

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Dave - why? Well, after four years of spending $100k on my education being mentored by some of the best speakers and internet marketers in the world I've found that they've all said the same thing.

Because it works.
Sorry Leela. Certainly didn't mean to imply that any of your testimonials were fake. Was meant as a general observation of this type of marketing. I have been having a look at lots and lots of these recently and they just all look the same. I guess if you see one campaign which is targeting at what you are interested in that is different that looking at more of an industry-wide view where everybody is doing the same thing.

I know that I have plenty to learn as I'm just starting out on this journey. I guess the point I was trying to raise is that personally when I see this type of marketing I find it a huge turn-off - that doesn't change the fact that I know it works!

I want to see my site as offering something different and one of my initial thoughts was not to make it look like a "standard paid membership landing page." I would prefer to build the trust with my subscribers and then offer them my services in a more subtle way. Perhaps that will bring me in less income initally but I feel it will lead to a better long term relationship over time?

Chris Guillebeau's ( http://chrisguillebeau.com/3x5/ ) approach personally appeals to me more and is the way I am currently thinking. He subtly plugs his products once a week and has a more "it would be nice if my buy one of my products but I won't be upset if you don't approach". Ofcourse he can do this because of the huge subscriber numbers he has.

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I would prefer to build the trust with my subscribers and then offer them my services in a more subtle way. Perhaps that will bring me in less income initally but I feel it will lead to a better long term relationship over time?
What builds a relationship over time is the quality of what you deliver - not how you sell it. It's not about the amount of INCOME you bring in initially, it's about the number of warm bodies you bring in. The more people you're communicating with, the more opportunities you have to impress people.

Quantity and Quality are not mutually exclusive. You don't need to choose one or the other ... you can have BOTH. Get a high number of people through the door then FLOOR them with the awesome quality of what you deliver.

Not using these techniques will not build trust - in fact, if people aren't opting in, it's not building anything because you can't talk to them. You need people to opt IN before you can build a relationship. And that's what these websites do ...

You need to remember that sales copy is a CONVERSATION.

If you were calling people to sell them, you wouldn't (or shouldn't!) just call and say:

"HEY! I've got this cool thing, wanna buy it? No, okay bye!"

That's not going to work!

Instead, you go in and ask them questions about themselves, find out what they need, what problems they have - qualify the client to make sure they ARE your client.

Then you have a conversation showing them the benefits of your product, trial closing them, telling them about the guarantee, about other people like them it's worked for.

Answering their objections.

Does that look familiar?

It's EXACTLY what's going on with long copy.

On a written page you don't have the ability to get instant feedback from them, so you need to answer most of the questions and objections you think you'll get from your clearly defined target market.

People don't just throw this stuff up for the heck of it. There's a very good reason that each step is in there. It's all very specific and designed to HELP people - so that they have ALL of the information they need to make a decision about whether your product is for them or not.

Example: Say your client is looking for hosting, but they are really concerned because they've heard this stuff about bandwith but they don't really know what it means or what they need.

If your website says:

"We're going to give you hosting, plus a bunch of other information on how to use the internet."

That does NOT answer their big question.

If, on the other hand, your copy says:

Not only do we provide hosting, but we'll also walk you, step-by-step, through the things you need to know about setting up your website. Things like:

* How do I get a domain name and why do I need hosting?
* What is this DNS thing all about?
* I've heard about bandwith - what is it, how much do I need?
* How do I set up an email address?

Oh no, scary LONG copy!

But it gives the person the information they need to make the decision. It also gives the people concerned about DNS and email addresses the info they need - and the people who have no idea what they even need to know about will see you have everything they need.

Let's face it - with something like hosting, the person is going to buy from SOMEONE. If you don't give them the information they need to buy from you, they'll buy from someone else. And can you guarantee that THAT person will be reputable? Can you guarantee that person will NOT rip them off? Can you guarantee that person will give them the support they need to make everything work together?

It is your responsibility to ensure that you give these people the info they need to make the right decision.

"I feel" = classic beginner mistake.

It's not about what YOU feel.

There's only one opinion that counts - and that's the opinion of the market, of your ideal clients. And it's not what they SAY they want (plenty of my ideal target market tell me they hate long copy ... but then buy loads of my stuff) - but what they ACT on. There's only one way to know what works - track the $$$'s coming into your account.

I've tested short copy vs long copy.

I've tested having no testimonials vs static testimonials vs video testimonials.

I've tested Headlines vs lack of headlines.

And the answer has been very clear - the internet marketing millionaires are RIGHT ... what they do has a far higher conversion rate. I do what works. When it stops working, I'll do something else.

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What builds a relationship over time is the quality of what you deliver - not how you sell it. It's not about the amount of INCOME you bring in initially, it's about the number of warm bodies you bring in. The more people you're communicating with, the more opportunities you have to impress people.
Thanks Leela. Really appreciate all your efforts helping me "to see the light!"
I will certainly be taking plenty of this away and I'm sure it will help my business once I get it up and running.

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