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Hi all,

Long time reader first time poster! Loads of info on here but would like some help.

I have been contemplating starting up a small business on the side after my full time work hours and wondering about tax implications. Can anyone advise what my tax implications would be? Would not like to pay extra tax and will look to end full time work if the side business is successful enough of course.

Any suggestions or advise is much appreciated, thanks

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Dan

Your questions would be suited to an accountant.

Fellow soloists can't give a run down of all structures nor promote a particular structure.

Depending on where you are based, there are a couple of great accountants and bookkeepers on this Forum who would love to help.

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Hi Dannyboy

Welcome to the forums! Exciting times for you!

As Janna mentioned, you will probably need to ask an accountant about your specific situation in order to find out the answer to your question. There are many variables to be taken into account, and personalised advice is the only way.

All the best - we'll look forward to learning more about your business when you're ready to share.

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The other question might be 'will this be a cash business?'. This also helps with the declaring income question! ;-)

Did you want to share what type of business it is?

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I did a similar thing and still do. I manage a range of websites in my evening hours. The tax advice I received was to set up a Family Trust and have it all running from that. Obviously your situation may be different. However initially (last fin year) I just included everything my sites earned as though it was my own income eg as an investment.

Next year it should all go through the Trust.

Quick call to an accountant will do it right for you.

I think its a good idea to start a business on the side. It gives you a chance to try it before you jump into it full time. It also helps from a cashflow perspective.

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Some quick comments for you (as an Accountant).

As a sole proprietor, the tax non commercial loss regulations may affect your ability to claim any initial losses against other employment income in the year of loss (Ideally you will make profits from day one so this may not be an issue). Profits will be taxed at marginal rates but as a micro business you may be eligible for concessions with the Entrepreneurial Tax Offset (ETO). This is the simplest, cheapest and possibly most tax friendly option if you are talking small dollars in ancillary business income (and you have average income elsewhere). An ABN is easy to get and can be done online at www.abr.gov.au (you can also attach a GST registration if appropriate as well - that’s another issue. I would avoid unless necessary).

If your operations are intended to be larger and you are more certain of profits and direction then starting a discretionary trust may be the best option (again it is very dependent on your personal financial position so this is general advice only). You can always roll in a business that you previously started as a sole proprietor so perhaps start off simple and cheap and go from there. Provided the real capital value of the business is minimal at the point of transfer then there is unlikely to be any capital gains tax issue.

If your business concept involves the provision of services then the tax Personal Services Income (PSI) regulations may apply. In effect these can attribute all the income to you personally anyway which makes starting another entity a waste of time and money (from a tax perspective). In short these are intended to apply to individuals that provide services through an entity that otherwise are like those of an employee. ie for personal reward or effort.

One other note - your employment contract with your current employer may regulate any other income earning activities (including businesses and other employment). There may be no regulation at all or it may be a simple case of getting written or verbal consent before you start something "on the side". If your business concept is aligned with your current employment then it’s more likely they will have a problem with it (for many reasons). The last thing you want is an employee running a business via email and phone during regular business hours - I’ve seen it go pear shaped many times (from both sides of the coin). Be respectful of your employer and the agreement that you have made with them. If you build a big business one day then I’m sure you would want the same from your staff.

Hope this helps and best of luck with it.

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I would like to thank all those that replied to my question. While "cash business"will no doubt cross my path, I will look towards building the business so I can pursue it fulltime. The business will be based on office and home cleaning, I have a couple of customers already. To James and prepaidplans, the Trust setup sounds like a way to go. Will have to investigate this and see what the options are.

Many thanks again to those who took the time to reply!

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Dan some good advice as usual.
Going into the commercial side of cleaning you may need to have some cleaning qualifications.
Asset Maintenance certificate 11 or 111 in cleaning is available and by going through some one like the Lennox Institute you may even be able to pick up the government subsidy of around $ 4000.00. Cert 111 is recognised as the Trade course in commercial cleaning.
Also have a chat with John Laws of Australian Cleaning Contrcators Association, who may give you valueable advise
john@cleaningcontractors.com.au

Tell him you have been talking to me.
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