Originally Posted by T J Madigan
Here we go again...
Was I talking to you MatthewKeath??
Did you say it was your artists signature??
You tried to pick a fight yesterday by claiming I had insulted you yesterday too...
Chill out bro... and stop trying to pick fights with me.
I just don't like people trying to pull the wool over people's eyes by BS'ing about well known industry practices (again, this is not addressed at you - unless you are claiming your link is your artist's signature). If I get shot down for calling a spade a spade, then so be it. Doesn't change the fact that a spade is still a spade.
Ok TJ, so you aren't calling MatthewKeath dishonest, you are calling ME dishonest, and accusing me of "BSing" as I was the the one who addressed this - either way, not cool! I am NOT BSing, I DID work in the print industry for almost 7 years and have experience with what I was talking about. And i've been on this forum for over 2 years, have almost 500 posts, and a good reputation for helping people, so please don't accuse me of "pulling the wool over people's eyes" which is basically akin to calling me a liar.
This isn't going anywhere, but just wanted to be clear. I'm NOT saying i'm an artist or comparable to someone who paints a portrait. Nor am I saying i'm a manufacturer, comparable to Victa mowers (another example I used). All i'm saying is that both manufacturers and creative industries have traditionally signed off their work, as a way of giving an answer to people who say "wow that's cool where can I get me one of those"? I then provided examples of when this signoff is considered appropriate (eg a large multi page document), and when it is not (a business card).
To answer your main criticism re SEO
, here is my stated position, just so you cannot suggest i'm trying to claim otherwise:
- Do I think there is SEO
benefit - yes I do, although not a big amount.
- Do I try to take advantage of this - yes, I do, but in a way that doesn't detract from the design. I don't see why there needs to be a "moral high ground" against that.
- Is SEO
it my main reason for putting it there - no, of course not. My two main reasons are to "sign off" on something i'm proud of, and to generate new work from humans (not search engines) who like the site and "want me one of those".
Most clients I have specifically mentioned it to, and have as a minimum in all cases shown them a draft with it included.
Times that a client has specifically said something like the following "I love it, I'm glad you have put a link back to your site so you can get more business -
can you put it on your portfolio as well?" = 4 I can think of.
Total times i've been asked to remove one by a client = 0
Based on the above it's a non issue to me with my clients (remembering my policy is to do it with design work only, NOT with SEO
only jobs). So given that it's not a customer issue that i'm facing in my business I think i've spent enough time on this.