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OK Tech-dudes, here's another for for you, since you so successfully solved my last issue!

I am about to launch a series of around four ebooks to sell via my website. I asked my designer/host for a quote and they have come back with $3,000 to do the following:
- Implementation of Virtuemart Ecommerce solution and shopping cart.
- Configuration Payment Gateway (eg.Paypal)
- Styling of require pages and product layout.
- Content entry of upto 5 products.
- Testing and upload to live site.

I feel I am being gouged!!

Anyone got any cheaper solutions?? My website is written in Joomla.

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Yeah wow, that is a few ebook sales to cover that!

I think that is about the standard price for an ecommerce.. I was getting quotes of around $5k to do my site. So I did myself.

There are a lot of other alternatives, these guys do ecommerce sites from $395
http://webcity.com.au/web-design/design-wc.php but it really depends on the end product you want I guess.

Try Owen at http://www.oradesign.com.au/services.html he did the front page slideshow on my site, and his prices start around the $1500 mark for basic websites including ecommerce.

Let us know how you go. Can be a mysterious business having a website made when you first get into, I know I had no idea of what prices to expect when I first looked into it and was a bit shocked.

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That sounds about right to me.

I put all of my products on separate pages with separate URLs (because if they sell well, down the track that allows me the option to sell the site). I pay $600 per site for full design and set up (I provide copy and specific images like covers along with my own URL - they do all the design, layout and hook it up to my current shopping cart). So for 5 pages would = $3,000.

Depends on what you need, really - you can get it cheaper ... but normally that means leaving off certain features ... e.g. you can get a designed html template for US$297 from www.killercovers.com - but then you need to do all of the internal html layout and linking yourself ... which, if you don't have the time or the expertise, is a real pain in the neck!

I don't see you being able to get a reasonable site of that size and make-up for under that price.

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Price sounds about right to me (based on my time in a studio that did those things). This kind of work is time consuming and rarely goes as easily as you may think - esp with Joomla.

Do you really need such a heavyweight cart? If you look at the Purchase Page on my SynthStudio Pack site you will see that it is a 'cart' to allow multiple purchses but the cart is 100% Pay Pal and took me only a short while to do.

Once the buttons are made in Pay Pal then you simply need to include them beside the product that is for sale and that is far better product page arrangement in most cases. Databases (carts) often make you feel clever but stop the Sales Flow for users.

Happy to have a chat to explain

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There's a fair bit more work involved in an ecommerce site as opposed to a brochureware site. One has to remember an ecommerce site is a tool to get more money, it's a store front, cash register, promotional tool and online identity. The good ones will also have order management, customer relationship management, tools to manage and measure your campaigns, and generally make you look more professional in the online space. I'd say it's a fair quote. If you can't justify the investment, I'd consider contributing to a more communal site like GetFiles or an ebook marketplace to begin with as a means to testing which of your products generate more interest.

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I am about to launch a series of around four ebooks to sell via my website. I asked my designer/host for a quote and they have come back with $3,000 to do the following:
- Implementation of Virtuemart Ecommerce solution and shopping cart.
- Configuration Payment Gateway (eg.Paypal)
- Styling of require pages and product layout.
- Content entry of upto 5 products.
- Testing and upload to live site.

I feel I am being gouged!!

Anyone got any cheaper solutions?? My website is written in Joomla.

Thanks,

Richard
Total Overkill for what you want to do, and for the volume of products.

Check out www.e-junkie.com (yeah, I know - horrible name, but an excellent service. I haven't used it myself, but know many who have)

Cost is $5 per month.
They will handle the e-commerce side of it.
All you need to do is create the sales text, etc on your website, and paste in the link to the e-junkie cart.

General rule of thumb:
If you haven't got a lot of constantly changing products, and do less than about $100,000 online, then getting payment gateways, database driven shopping carts, and all that stuff is highly likely to be overkill.

The trouble with most developers is that the response they have given you is the only one that they know. Or are willing to tell you.
If your sales ramp up, and you start doing significant business, then you can look at the type of things that have been suggested.

And to add a page of content to Joomla should not cost anywhere near $600.
your developers should be able to show you how to add a new page to Joomla very easily. after all, that's one of the main reasons for a CMS.
To allow the end user to quickly and easily maintain their own website.

Leela mentions a figure of $600 to set up a complete site, which is a pretty good price. But in this case, you're not building a site. Just adding a page to an existing one, and adding some content which you will probably have to write yourself. I would have thought $100 tops if a developer was doing it.

(And if you mention what I have said to your developers, be prepared for them to throw their hands up in the air and say "Oh, that's very bad advice. don't do it." And they'll give you all sorts of reasons to protect their position, and justify their fees. )

So - your call. If the money is no problem, and you feel warm and fuzzy going with what they recommend - go for it.

Otherwise - be prepared to look at alternatives. What I have suggested is one of them.

If you want to go with Virtuemart, (which is a free shopping cart for Joomla) then get some other prices from other developers. There may be some on this forum who can chime in. If not, I'll let a couple of the guys who I've dealt with know about this forum.

And I wouldn't recommend just using the standard paypal buttons on your site for the sale of downloadable materials. Your download page can be found without too much trouble, and your ebooks stolen.

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How about a website or a full ecommerce, shopping cart (e-shop) website that is really user friendly? Many small businesses don't want to waste time learning the in's & out's of how to maintain their website or ecommerce , e-shop site, they just want to have a real simple site they can add more products or create new pages, make changes & add pictures fast. wysiwyg "what you see is what you get" is the answer for these people & businesses. providing you get a good package, it's fast, professional & easy
I'm happy to show you the one I use & all my clients.Paul Furlong www.webdesignandmarketing.com.au & Betterbusinessadvice.com.au



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OK Tech-dudes, here's another for for you, since you so successfully solved my last issue!

I am about to launch a series of around four ebooks to sell via my website. I asked my designer/host for a quote and they have come back with $3,000 to do the following:
- Implementation of Virtuemart Ecommerce solution and shopping cart.
- Configuration Payment Gateway (eg.Paypal)
- Styling of require pages and product layout.
- Content entry of upto 5 products.
- Testing and upload to live site.

I feel I am being gouged!!

Anyone got any cheaper solutions?? My website is written in Joomla.

Thanks,

Richard

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Thanks for all of the help and advice guys & gals.

My weeb designer was definitely quoting the rolls royce version which I dont need at this stage (not until I churn some decent sales numbers).

He advised using Yahoo Store or Paypal and pasting in the links. I have an existing "lazy" page on the site I plan to convert. I was interested in the comments saying that when using Paypal people can easily steal your ebooks - has anyone had this experience? I have looked into some "locking" programs which prevent people from forwarding or copying the material. Any recommendations on which software to use for this?

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Just go carefully in attempting to prevent piracy that you don't damage the usability (or desirability) of your product.

Is your e-book really designed to make you rich or is it there to spread your message and expertise far and wide (and collect a few coins on the way)?

People who steal will never do business with you so you have not lost anything anyway. People who will do business with you will still do so even if given pirated copies of your e-book. If you doubt that I have had people pay for my $7.50 music software after being sent pirated links.

Keep your eyes firmly attached to your core strategy or you can get really lost here.

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