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Hi Kev,

I have to disagree with the comment on the OS being a tool for different jobs. The fact is the Operating System is the basis for what you want to do. Not the specific software you need to do it. Even in a Domain controller environment it's not the workstation OS that is the "Tool".

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I Think Hamish was just trying to explain in certain terms and talk in non IT terms. I know exactly what your saying, but when you consider Linux and Unix are used in certain scenario's because they do things well or better than you can consider them as a tool. Regardless hairs to be split

I am a person who loves open source. However in business I make decisions based on risk. My biggest is that unless you are an expert or surrounded by experts to support a foreign product or service that’s not an industry standard then it could be more trouble than its worth.

Now this is far from saying Microsoft is reliable and bagging the others. Its not the case. Unix is the hidden god few people talk about which I’m hoping one day Microsoft will jump on board with its core, like Linux and osx(mac) which imo are more stable but often not as user friendly simply because they are unknown and not the norm, not because they are more difficult to use. In fact most Linux people would scare you if you knew the tricks they can do and how their OS is setup. But we are talking about people who take the time to tweak and don't just sit down and operate "what they know".

However Microsoft have come a long way. In the past 4-5 years of running the most hated operating system "Vista" from its first release and small business server 2003 and Eset Smart security with Symantec backup exec we have had no viruses or spyware issues like the old days. Yes drivers were an issue back then, but mainly due to us running 64bit and the office at the time having old equipment. Our new office(2years old) runs 64bit vista and W7 and we have had few software crashes other than to be expected with Autodesk products/adobe. There has been no server downtime and the only issue we have had is a dead motherboard and HDD in separate workstations which considering is minimal and normal due to manufactures purposeful shoddy products.

We never have to stop and think about supporting other businesses software and if they will support us. Unfortunately Microsoft is the "standard" and whilst my heart is to OSX I find playing the game is a lot easier. We also find small businesses who work with us using open source or cheap shoddy CAD applications whilst can work are usually full of problems, limitations and the list goes on. I know every time we get an inferior file from a potential client our eye's roll, our heads bang and understandably they are just trying to make a living like us. All the same, it happens and it disrupts our business.

I like the support we get on subscription software from adobe and Autodesk. Finding good resellers is the key again to assist with any issues that arise rather than waiting for forum replies and hoping for the best. However after years of using web developers we decided to use open source with Joomla without regrets. Having said that, many late nights were required, so it depends what you value your time at also. I also use Firefox for most of our users at work. I give them the choice of browser however most have fallen in love with FF with some exceptions to chrome.
You only need one important business application not to run on Linux for it to be a burden. No one wants to run VM or emulators in a business environment esp with resource heavy applications. All businesses are different and if you know what you need and can way up the risk.

I realise maybe a bit OT, but just discussing why I don't use open source OS and say open office at work or even some of our production applications. It’s not because I like MS, but sometimes it’s easier to play the game. Managing change in a business is hard enough.

So I like previous comments from Hamish and Kev discussing that there is no one size fits all solution for anyone or any business. Keep your mind open, and if you can close the wallet, do so.

Just my 2 cents.

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I assume if it was really THAT great it'd be like the iPod/iPhone revolution suddenly everyone would have one..
Ya think? Beta really WAS better than VHS you know.

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I've wanted to try out a Linux OS for ages but whenever I've had the time I haven't had a spare PC and now that I have a couple of spare PC's I haven't got the time or space to set them up.
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Try a live CD. They take a while to boot. but then they tend to run disturbingly faster than the machine normally runs. And change nothing on the box.

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I mean, it's okay if people get paid for their work.
Who said that Open Source developer cannot get paid? F/OSS is about opening up the source code and licenses to make sure the source code stays open for any hackers/developers to tinker, and is NOT about being $0 cost.

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OpenOffice.org is a viable alternative - which will install on Windows. But usually I end up returning to Word for some reason or other.

Linux is simply a no no for an average user. You might be lucky and find that everything works out of the box - but likely you will have printers and things that are un-intuitive (at best).
I agree that Linux desktop is still not as intuitive as Mac OS X or Windows 7 -- and I have been a Linux user for > 15 years. However one often misunderstood fact is, the primary user of "open source" is not your average user, but software developers who want better control of their product.

Take this website for example. vBulletin is a proprietary product -- you might be able to see the source, but its license forbids you from making modifications and distributing the core. However, vBulletin is developed on top of PHP, an open source framework/programming language, runs on Apache and MySQL, on top of Linux. In other words, open source actually helps the developer of vBulletin, Jelsoft, in building its business, as it has done so for many other business. We are all using it everyday without realising it (Firefox to access Twitter which builds on top of Scala and Cassandra and many other examples).

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The two things are not mutually exclusive unless you're talking about proprietary software. I'm using an open source product (nopCommerce) that runs on windows. Good software is good regardless of whether it's proprietary or open source. My browser is Firefox, my word processor is Word, if it works for me I use it, go with the flow!

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Here is a review (one version old now) of an alternative to Office.
Changes have been made to the 09 version to improve even further, such as integrated email.

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Default My favorite Open Source products

I don't have much choice about MS Office but I do in other areas. For drawing I like Gimp , which is a truly outstanding image program and compares very favorably to Photoshop IMHO.

I also use Inkscape for vector graphics, I've never used Illustrator but this is the same sort of thing and it's really good.

My other really indispensable tool is WinSCP, which I just can't live without, for accessing web sites.

My scary tool is SQLite, this is a great little database and I'm still discovering things I can do with it. Fantastic for data interchange.

I think that might do for now, before start I telling you about my Debian stereo.

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A very interesting topic.
Now being a senior member of society, with very basic computer skills it was suggested I download OpenOffice, which I did.
Took a while to get used to it.

whwn I bought my netbook there was a trail microsoft programme on it but when I checked out the price it was more than I had paid for my netbook.

I have installed Open Office on my netbook and although there are programmes on there I probably will never use Im starting to get used to using it.

For someone with a much healthier knowledge of computers Open Office would be a breeze to use.

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In my day job as a corporate database developer, I'm obliged to use a locked-down Windows XP environment with Office 2003. Most of my day is spent in a UNIX terminal session or Firefox, so I generally cope.

At home and in my own business, I'm pretty much free of Microsoft. I've used a Mac for 7+ years now. My 15yo son shares my Macbook, so he has MSN Messenger installed. But I think that's all. I develop using Textmate or even vi(m) in a terminal shell. I spend a lot of time in Terminal as I can ssh straight to my Web host. Pages and Numbers cover my modest needs, are so much more elegant, and can import and export Word and Excel well enough for my purposes. I use Transmit for ftp/sftp. PHP, Apache and a bunch of other OS stuff is installed as standard. Install MySQL and edit a couple of config files for a native AMP stack.

Frankly, if you mostly work on the Web, Microsoft can be near enough irrelevant.

I agree that we should each use the OS and applications that work best for us. Life's a little too short to be an ideologue about such things. I'm happy with my choices but I sure don't tell anyone else what should work for them.

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A very interesting topic.
Now being a senior member of society, with very basic computer skills it was suggested I download OpenOffice, which I did.
Took a while to get used to it.

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For someone with a much healthier knowledge of computers Open Office would be a breeze to use.
OpenOffice Writer is also a really good way to create a PDF file for documentation and fliers.

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