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    Henri K
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    This doesn’t make any sense.

    You don’t tell at all how complex the app is, so how can anybody respond whether the cost is reasonable?

    Complex app can cost several millions, but minimal app by a student can cost $100, or pizzas.

    One warning sign about the developer though: adding second platform doesn’t double the project price. They were either being dishonest, or they thought the probability of your project ever progressing is so low that they didn’t bother spending 1 minute to actually estimating your project.

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    Miles
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    BusinessTrade, post: 266485, member: 113709 wrote:
    You want to develop what is known as a “MVP” or minimum viable product. Spending $200k on an app which is unproven is as good as throwing money in the drain. The sales rep that said your idea is great is only doing so to get your business.

    An MVP is great advice and the best way to test your business model to see if it gets any traction. Start with testing on a small audience this way you can get feedback early and refine. Also, ask yourself does it need to be an app? Can a website provide the same functions?

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    businesstrade
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    johnnycashflow, post: 266599, member: 79207 wrote:
    sorry, I might have given the wrong impression,

    I was referring to these articels, theyre more just telling people of their story/journey,

    usually articles have headlines like
    “how a fitness trainer took his idea to sucessful business”

    I’ll just expand on the MVP comment. This is the playbook for you (aka best move) if you are serious about your idea.

    1. The idea is to build something to test the idea but on a shoe string budget. This can be done by building a landing page on a basic website.

    2. Promote it and see if you can get any traction such as newsletter subs or account sign ups.

    3. If it proves successful, build a business plan and find investors.

    4. Build team and grow business.

    The aim is just to reduce most of the upfront risk – why take out an extra mortgage when you can spend a few hundred dollars and a few weeks testing the idea. Maybe its a dud, maybe not, who knows right!?

    businesstrade.com.aubuy or sell a business
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    Greg_M
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    There’s been some great advice right through this thread.

    My slightly off topic comment would be that I think we’re on the verge of a big tech shake up that could/will greatly reduce the cost of app development whether it’s native or web apps.

    For e.g. Googles latest push is promoting a UI framework called Flutter, which combined with Dart (a programming language Google developed, but open sourced by them) enables developing native apps (not crap in a javascript wrapper) for both Android and iOS, as well as for the web using the same code base.

    The lines between what’s a native app, and what’s a web app/site are going to disappear soon.

    Check out Flutter:

    https://flutter.dev/

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    Gordon Anderson
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    A mantra comes to mind : “reduce risk by prototyping – early and often”

    I might be inclined to proceed in steps from low risk/low cost to high risk high cost, vis :

    • feature list
    • ui sketch on dot grid paper
    • UI / UX mockup
    • clickable mockup demo
    • user feedback
    • data design / api design / backend design
    • quote for a web app
    • develop the web app in stages
    • test / use the web app .. more user feedback
    • redesign
    • retest
    • then you have a prototype which you can either package on android/ios OR get a meaningful quote to develop the native clients

    Its really easy to spend 18months and 250k on this process .. you want to get your mistakes in early. Preferable debug the business model first, before even thinking about the app.

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    johnnycashflow, post: 266470, member: 79207 wrote:
    hi folks,

    so ive been toying with a few app ideas, not being technical whatsoever

    ive contacted a company, whom I told them of my idea after signing an NDA,
    and they said the idea is good (not surprising since I assume they would say that to get the business)

    and obviously its not a final price, but its around the $100k per mark per OS, so essentially $200k for apple and android

    is this how much apps really cost? and do all people with a decent idea, invest this much to get their app developed?
    seems like a huge risk, unless you can get it done cheap in india or unless you have investors, and is this the only option I have?

    thanks in advance everyone

    Thats crazy talk mate. It should cost around the 10k mark to get something up and running for presentation.
    I mean if you can get your presentation up and running, get your clients interested, possibly agreeing to certain terms, then it would be worth while investing more. Otherwise its no different then throwing cash away

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    Greg_M, post: 267285, member: 38207 wrote:
    There’s been some great advice right through this thread.

    My slightly off topic comment would be that I think we’re on the verge of a big tech shake up that could/will greatly reduce the cost of app development whether it’s native or web apps.

    For e.g. Googles latest push is promoting a UI framework called Flutter, which combined with Dart (a programming language Google developed, but open sourced by them) enables developing native apps (not crap in a javascript wrapper) for both Android and iOS, as well as for the web using the same code base.

    The lines between what’s a native app, and what’s a web app/site are going to disappear soon.

    Check out Flutter:

    https://flutter.dev/

    This is really interesting..thanks Greg

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    GlenC
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    Damn, $20k – $100k…. I need to get back into app development. I do web design mostly, but at some point just for fun I taught myself app development using Flutter which is pretty cool (Google built it, which explains a lot about why its so fun to use….well, from a developers’ point of view anyway).

    I might have to revisit the possibility of offering app development later on down the track and get back into that.

    What HenriK said brings up a good point, id be wary of them charging you based on ‘per OS’, that seems like a weird way to price it. I mean unless they are literally developing the app using Java exclusively for Android and Swift for iPhone, I can’t see why they would price it that way.

    If you look for someone to do this app, I’d recommend you look for someone who can built it either in Flutter or React Native. Both these solutions means they can program it once for both Android and iOS and that allows them to deploy it to both phones without having to develop the app twice if that makes sense.

    I’d also be wary of offering to pay someone who is prepared to accept the job for a cheap price, I’m all for saving money for ones own business but the same can be said getting someone who does a poor job of it, isn’t reliable or knows entirely what they are doing.

    You’d want to think of it as an investment, particularly if you are looking at it as a business idea of sorts.

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    Zava Design
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    GlenC, post: 269714, member: 116297 wrote:
    What HenriK said brings up a good point, id be wary of them charging you based on ‘per OS’, that seems like a weird way to price it. I mean unless they are literally developing the app using Java exclusively for Android and Swift for iPhone, I can’t see why they would price it that way.
    That is exactly what many app dev houses do, build natively for each OS, especially those that work with the larger clients. Even with the many cool tools such as Flutter, it is the best method to build the best performing apps for each OS, also offering the most flexibility. Any of the major entities, their apps will mostly be built natively for each OS.

    That’s not to say tools like Flutter aren’t perfectly fine for many purposes, and if that’s sufficient for your needs then identify a developer that does it that way and the budget does come down.

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    GlenC
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    Zava Design, post: 269716, member: 34615 wrote:
    That is exactly what many app dev houses do, build natively for each OS, especially those that work with the larger clients. Even with the many cool tools such as Flutter, it is the best method to build the best performing apps for each OS, also offering the most flexibility. Any of the major entities, their apps will mostly be built natively for each OS.

    That’s not to say tools like Flutter aren’t perfectly fine for many purposes, and if that’s sufficient for your needs then identify a developer that does it that way and the budget does come down.

    Yeah I know…. faster less crashy app right….. I feel like there’s a market opportunity for businesses that arent as big that would be happy not paying as much to gain use of their very own app (sorry for the thread, I know I’m getting off topic a bit)

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    Zava Design
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    There is, hence why tools like Flutter and React are around and used by many dev houses.

    Exactly the same as many sites use WordPress or another off-the-shelf CMS, but a few of the larger and/or more specialised sites use a custom developed CMS.

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    I personally don’t like the thought of getting an app developed nowaday. With limited memory in the phone and limited CPU power and clutter of apps in the phones just won’t make me excited to add another app.

    Having said that, what are the options? and especially when you want to do a prototype or starting a business, test the water, making sure that what you think is the best idea is in fact is and you can market it successfully to the customers. I am sure many of the techies here might already be aware and nontechie must have seen it without going into details of the technology behind it. The tech is called PWA ( progressive web app) which basically allows the user to create a home icon on your phone with the size of about 100Kb when you visit a website vs Mbs when you download an app. It looks very similar to any app icon in the phone and clicking on this gives an app like experience. Ofcourse, it won’t give you the same experience as a native app but essentially many biggies are already moving/moved to it such as twitter, uber, and Forbes. All the cool features for customer engagement such as push notifications etc are all supported.

    See what are the companies already moved to PWA. https://www.biggerpicture.agency/insights/9-examples-of-brilliant-progressive-web-apps-pwas

    I know it is off-topic as the initial question was about the investment in app development but it is worth looking for successful alternatives especially when somebody is asking $100K :)

    Avi
    Partner – dealsmate.com.au

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    Zava Design
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    Progressive Web App (PWA) isn’t the ability to add an icon on someone’s phone, you can do that for any site with a couple of lines of code.

    The PWA part if what happens AFTER you click on the icon. At a very high level, it basically caches the website so you can view it in offline mode, and adds a couple of features such as the ability to go fullscreen to “look like” an app, to send push notifications, and a few others (all of which can be done with a normal website mind… ;))

    Unfortunately one of the issues with some of the PWA features is that there is not 100% browser support as yet, and hence why it hasn’t gone mainstream just yet. It’s a little like the desktop browsers back in the day with technology such as Javascript and CSS, different browsers are rolling out features at different speeds. So a PWA feature that may work great on Chrome on Android, doesn’t work on Safari on an iPhone.

    In addition, depending on the “app like/similar” features you want, a PWA website can cost a lot more than a website. Maybe not as much as some fully features apps, but certainly a lot more than a website providing the same or very similar functionality, in most cases.

    For mine, the best way to test an idea is to build a mobile friendly / mobile first website (which is basically what PWA is in simple terms, just with “uber caching” added ;) ). Indeed I’ve had a number of clients come to me wanting an app, but after speaking with them and finding out the actual objectives they had (which should ALWAYS come first, not the tech to use) many of them went the mobile first website route as it was the better option. That will depend on the objective & functionality required, of course.

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    Pol L
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    250k sounds about right if you’re building an app to control military drones or manage micro satellites else most consumer or b2b apps should cost abt 1/10th that to build and deploy for a sensible v1. Please get quote elsewhere.

    Good luck!

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