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    d3mad
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    Following on from my previous thread ( http://www.flyingsolo.com.au/forums/index.php?threads/design-ideas.39531/ ), I’ve just spoken with their fit-out coordinator. I’m really starting to get confused by how difficult everyone seems to want to make the process.

    The shop is currently (poorly) set up already. It has fridges, freezers, cookers, sinks and a front bench. In regards to fit-out, we’re not really installing anything new. We were planning on replacing a three sets of four sinks (a double and two singles) along one wall with a complete new bench with sinks incorporated. But this then requires the “design team” element.

    I acknowledge I have no “creative” flare and so we’re at a cross-roads. We don’t need someone to come in and redesign a complete fit-out with new floor and wall coverings, new lighting, new benches etc, we’re looking for someone to come and give us ideas. I’m not asking for someone to do this for free, I’m just not after someone to come and do everything for me. Which when you explain that to the few people I’ve already called, they’re not interested.

    Obviously I’m calling the wrong people/industry or whatever.

    What should I be looking for or who should I be calling? Is it a case I should just go look for an artist of sorts and get their opinion? We’re really lost (and new) in this area.

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    JacquiPryor
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    Hi there,

    I’d not seen your previous post until now, and clearly there’s been some good ideas floated. Like you say of yourself I am not one with a ‘creative’ flare for these sorts of things so faced with the same situation would need some help, but, as you say – perhaps a full scale designer or “fitter outer” is not really what you need.

    I’ll be interested to see if others can suggest the right person for this sort of job.

    In the meantime, I asked myself who I would call if this were me… I’d start with friends/family that do have creative/visual flare. I have a good friend for example who is a graphic designer. Clearly you don’t need a graphic designer for this job but I’ve found in the past she thinks about things far differently to I and if put in a space like you’ve described would probably be able to arrange things in her head in a way I simply can’t do and then offer me ideas/suggestions.

    If you know such a creative ‘visual’ sort of a person, maybe getting them to have a look might get the design juices flowing, which might in turn help determine the ‘right’ person to help implement any changes if you’re not after a full scale re-design etc?

    Sorry I can’t specifically answer the question as to ‘who’ is the right sort of person, but, hope my food for thought assists. All the best :)

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    d3mad
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    it does [USER=20176]@JacquiPryor[/USER] thanks. Every little bit helps and although I don’t have anyone I can knowingly call upon, a couple of thoughts have sprung to mind this afternoon. I really do feel though, they’re making the process a lot more difficult than it needs to be.

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    Paul – FS Concierge
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    I suggest and interior designer or draughtsperson.

    But work out your requirements and budget and explain that you really are limited in what you need so you only want the Lite version of what they provide.

    It will definitely take a lot more calls than if you had a mega budget but will be worth it if you get the right person.

    Doing it all yourself could end up looking like you did it yourself and if you are anything like me, that might mean disaster.

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    You are talking about needing new benches, so I wonder if you talk to a cabinet maker or internal cabinet fitter for ideas on these, ie. like a kitchen maker person / shop fitter.

    Lighting, it is surprising a lot of electricians (not all so be careful), actually have a good idea about the best layouts, and suitable positions, maybe talk to one who has shop fitting experience, beyond just hanging them.

    Sinks and the likes, some plumbers (some), not all do actually have a flair beyond just fitting the silly things.

    If you get the cabinetry right, than the rest can flow on.

    You may be able to make up your own design team without really having a design team.

    I know I often get a call on the pretence of wanting a quote, but they are really just after ideas, so they can do it themselves.

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    d3mad
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    Paul, you made me laugh, and on a day that’s seen it’s fair share of hair pulled… I know what you mean. If it was left to me it would look the ducks guts. Literally! :)

    I’ve had it in my mind to call a few cabinet makers but was thrown off today by the management of the place (again). I’m now wading through 60+ pages of fit-out guidelines. (Will this inundation of rules, guidelines and BS ever stop!)

    I have no qualms with hiring the right person to do something, it’s just hard as a novice finding the right person that doesn’t see me as an open chequebook! I’ve been bitten a few times over the years by unscrupulous trades people.

    I get what you’re saying Bert about people getting you in for a quote, but as Paul mentioned, even if someone told me exactly what to do, I’d probably manage to botch it anyway. So best get them to do it anyway.

    I’ll hit the pavement again tomorrow and see what happens.

    Thanks again to everyone, even the littlest insights are taken on board and go a long way.

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    d3mad, post: 236723, member: 72747 wrote:
    I’m now wading through 60+ pages of fit-out guidelines. (Will this inundation of rules, guidelines and BS ever stop!)
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    No BS at all, just imagine if you set up shop with your great shop fitout, and somebody opened up next door and it looked like a junk yard. The centres have these guidelines to protect their tenants. Definitely not BS, and if you are already thinking that it is BS, maybe its time to move on, wait till you start getting customers, than talk about BS, duplicate what the centre expects by 200%..

    d3mad, post: 236723, member: 72747 wrote:
    I get what you’re saying Bert about people getting you in for a quote, but as Paul mentioned, even if someone told me exactly what to do, I’d probably manage to botch it anyway. So best get them to do it anyway.

    I may have explained that wrong, I was not meaning for you to do it yourself, but rather use some of those skills and ideas from the actual specialists to get ideas. Its amazing how good some of these people are and much better than the so called designers who charge you 10 times the price. I had one say to me once, they are just finger pointers but can charge way more than me for doing nothing, just because of their persona.

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    d3mad
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    G’day Bert, Sorry, I thought I replied to this.

    Regarding the BS, meh, I’m over it (I was having a bad week and heading back into it, but ATM I’m happy)… It just seemed every time I made a comment about something they’d throw another document at me. It has got beyond a joke. We’re a takeaway food shop and all we want to do is re-open a space that was in place and running. The problem was the last tenant got away with a lot because the previous building owner let her and now the landlord has changed hands. The new one is demanding a complete refit and I presently have over 200 pages of documentation sprawled over the table in front of me. That is JUST from the property holder. Luckily for us, there’s no DA (which I have already confirmed with council) so that’s a plus. :D

    And I didn’t misunderstand you (I don’t think) re the tradie. I was just relating it to what Paul had said earlier, in that if I did get someone in to get ideas and then just implement that myself, I’d botch it up anyway, so may as well just get the right person to do the job in the first place.

    Fingers crossed for a few minor wins this week. Let’s see how we go. :)

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