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    kathiemt
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    And if so, did you get the email from vote .com .au about the registering of multiple domains and other things?

    Just trying to figure out how legit this is and how it affects those of us who do legitimately purchase more than one domain for our websites?

    I provide domain registration services for my own web clients and have often bought more than one version of a domain for my own websites. Not sitting on domains and selling for ransome, but using for my own business.

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    hiya, who was the email from?

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    kathiemt
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    I mention who it’s from above Corey, just didn’t link it together so it wasn’t hyperlinked.

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    Corey
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    oh ok, I didn’t receive an email, will study the site.

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    Legit or not, would you vote in something that has no contact details so you can talk to a real human being. The letter is signed based on a PO box in Washington DC.

    Really do you think it’s legit??

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    kathiemt
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    bb1, post: 265020, member: 53375 wrote:
    Legit or not, would you vote in something that has no contact details so you can talk to a real human being. The letter is signed based on a PO box in Washington DC.

    Really do you think it’s legit??

    This is why I was asking if others had received it? I think it’s legit but perhaps they’re not giving the full picture to sway how people respond.

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    Greg_M
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    I haven’t received the email. I do own a few .au domains and manage a few more for others (who own real businesses associated with them).

    I do have a couple parked, but they’re associated with business ideas running in the background that may, or may not go live. In the past, if the idea dies I let the domain expire…I treat buying domains as cheap insurance if an idea proceeds, not as a weird speculative punt.

    I only buy them through a specialised DNS provider I use, not one of the bulk suppliers so maybe they haven’t been scraped to get an address?

    The whole thing looks like a bit of fairly dodgy looking lobbying by a small (and as Bert mentioned) anonymous group with narrow interest in holding and trading domains for speculative profit.

    Even if it’s report is correct, my answer would be “ask someone who cares”. I think the Aus Authority has a good point in pushing back against parking domains for the exclusive reason of speculating that someone may pay a premium for them down the track.

    I don’t see “domaining” for speculative profit as any different than going to ASIC and buying up business names then holding people to ransom that want them.

    For my money, the value in a domain should be from the brand and business value behind it, not a speculative guess that someone might need it and will pay a premium to do so.

    Their main argument seems to be they (domain traders) provide “liquidity in the market”. I’d be asking “for whom”….my guess is it’s only liquidity for others doing the same thing, not businesses of genuine value…in which case the domain becomes a legitimate brand asset anyway.

    I don’t think if you buy other TLD’s based around businesses you have or want to develop you have anything to worry about. It would not be difficult to prove you have them to protect a brand, idea, or a real business.

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    The other thing to consider are the claims they are making correct, have you checked the latest Auda recommendations. Often these dodgy (I say its not Legit), make claims that when read properly they have twisted the truth just a little (or a lot). There was someone spruiking changes on here a year or 2 ago, which when you actually looked at the draft document, some key words had being left out.

    I note you say you think its legit, what basis do you place on that comment, looks very dodgy to me, and again Washington DC, really legit. oh plus a PO box, even more legit.

    Have you checked the domain registration for the website they are using, makes interesting reading

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    auDA announces further phases of public consultation for policy reform

    The Policy Review Panel (PRP) is inviting feedback from the Australian community on its final recommendations to the auDA Board.

    You can access the final report and the supporting documentation here:

    Recommendations to the auDA Board: Reform of Existing Policies and Implementation of Direct Registration

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    Corey
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    Some resources about the issue

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    Corey
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    A little research has revealed…

    About the website vote com au

    a whois lookup = Registrant: KAAY HOLDINGS PTY LTD

    Kaay Holdings is a collection of businesses.

    The site appears legit!
    The issues are REAL.

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    Corey

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    And one of their ‘businesses’ (well, business names at least) is Wikileaks (registered October 2018). And, yes, a ‘collection’ of businesses – some seem to be as a reseller of domains, some provide ‘auction’ type reselling services. So, clearly any of the suggested changes in the vote .com .au site/petition could really affect them – certainly more so than those of us that might have several domains registered for our business/es as ‘cheap insurance’ and clearly and legitimately meet the current auDA policies for registration in the .au space.

    I did not receive the email Kathie, no – however, I actually do think it’s ‘legit’ in the sense that an organisation is petitioning to stop certain changes that would (seemingly) impact their businesses somewhat if those changes are allowed.

    I certainly agree with Greg’s comments above on the wider topic of this thread.

    If there are ties with the US, where the .com is more prevalent but not bound by as strict a registration rules as our .com.au, then it probably seems odd to them that we’d want to try and prevent certain monetising activities and similar of our domain names. However, I am not against it in a general/broad sense. I often have clients who own trade marks (including in the US), who cannot get their hands on a .com domain that matches up (even when it’s parked or seemingly registered purely for resell) without the registrant demanding huge amounts of money. It’s a personal view, naturally impacted by my profession, but I don’t really agree that should be deemed ok. Surely the overriding purpose of a domain name registration is to allow a business operator (or operator of a legitimate site/blog etc) to get visitors to the site rather than trying to capitilise by encouraging big $$$ to be paid by the ‘legitimate’ business owner/brand owner?

    Sorry, end mini rant. Ultimately, I don’t think the proposed changes are designed nor likely to affect the legitimate, typical business owner. The petition seems ‘legitimate’ given the facts found on the entity behind it but whether you choose to vote ‘against’ those changes, I don’t think they’re changes likely to impact you or your clients Kathie based on initial review.

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    As previously mentioned I’m sure. Australian domain registration is comparatively well governed.
    To register a .com.au you have to have a registered business name.

    While the email does seem legit it certainly seems unsolicited and annoying. They likely only have your email due to your email address being listed on the registrar a number of times on multiple domains.

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    JacquiPryor
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    To be fair, there’s a couple of other things that would make you eligible to register a .com.au than a registered business name BUT certainly interesting that the registrant of the domain subject of Kathie’s original post has recently registered Wikileaks as a business name… I’ve book marked to look at that further out of pure interest!

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    CephIT, post: 265077, member: 112253 wrote:
    As previously mentioned I’m sure. Australian domain registration is comparatively well governed.
    To register a .com.au you have to have a registered business name.

    While the email does seem legit it certainly seems unsolicited and annoying. They likely only have your email due to your email address being listed on the registrar a number of times on multiple domains.

    Don’t mean to be picky, but I only use an ABN (mine or clients) and have never needed or used a registered business name to purchase a .au domain.

    Regardless, at least you need to prove you exist as an “entity” to register one.

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