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    shags38
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    seocourse, post: 48646 wrote:
    Lol Mike.
    Chill.. in fact I love Corn and Carrots

    Building a public network of link building is like the Seagulls in Finding Nemo… mine.. mine… making a clear noice to google to recognize a patern in link building.

    seagulls1.jpg

    Creating one way link posted to another site, and creating reciprocal links for sure may help … but just a tiny bit.

    Why?

    You are sharing the link juice in a page full of links where google recognizes that the links are just in one “link” page that for sure will have zero page rank to pass..

    You may want to create a network for link building. I think that’s fine. I belong to a lot of paid networks… but I use it knowing the risks.

    You mention that google can’t crawled all the links pointing to a site?
    mmm google doesn’t need to crawled each link… they just need to do a link building pattern.

    Google doesn’t flag a site for the amount of links you link building but for the % of the speed you link building.

    so one day you build 3 links, the next day you join the flyingSolo link building farm and you get fantastic 3471 links. mmm may be that will break the link building pattern?

    Will you get any benefit? mmm may be…

    Is it worth to the risk as a long term strategy? : mmm I doubt.

    Just my 2 cents…

    Gabriel,

    WTF ….. What does any of the above have to do with the subject? Take the blinkers off mate – this has NOTHING – ZILCH – NYET to do with SEO or Google.

    It has to do with people (members) with a common goal (to learn and improve and share) who congregate in here from time to time sharing each others resources as they wish or wish not, freely. SIMPLE. What happens after that is the individuals business, not yours, not mine, not FS.

    There was a principal here – business people sharing business tools (assests) freely to gain a benefit whilst also providing one to others – it just so happened the tool was urls / links.

    Figure this – what is it that just about everyone in here has as a tool in common with everyone else that they could share other than urls / links ………… ????? opinion, advice, knowledge, ideas ….. all good but all intangible ……. the only other think I can think of would be the computer they use to type in here when they visit.

    It is not about links / websites / seo – it is about sharing business tools.

    cheers,
    Mike

    p.s. see the reason for editing = error – the whole idea was an error :) – Gabriel, the SeaGull thing – kidding right – Google is a bunch of ever changing algorithms, it wouldn’t know a seagull if it fell over one.

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    shags38, post: 49090 wrote:
    Gabriel,

    WTF ….. What does any of the above have to do with the subject? Take the blinkers off mate – this has NOTHING – ZILCH – NYET to do with SEO or Google.

    mmm the WTF is not going to go very well with the Admin(s) of this forum.

    I’m afraid is has everything to do with SEO

    this is your last comment

    READ MY LIPS – SEO IS NOT THE SUBJECT IOF THE DISCUSSION!!! The post had nothing to do with SEO – IT HAD TO DO WITH MEMBERS SHARING COMMON FREE RESOURCES ………. THEN putting them to use in improving their site ranking, if they wished.

    You are talking about exchanging links (or resources) … in fact the title of your the thread is …

    HOW TO CREATE BACK LINKS TO OUR WEBSITES

    Unless you want to exchange nofollow links… the fact of exchanging links towards increasing page rank… is playing with SEO.

    Let me know if you don’t understand the concept… I’m happy to make a video and explain you why.

    If your idea is to share business tools? share content? Share information, ideas, marketing strategies may be you can build mmmm a forum? ;)

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    Many thanks for your comments Gabriel,

    why would FS admin be concerned about WTF … what does it mean? I’ve seen it in many forums and chat sites – it’s kinda like an attention getting emoticon isn’t it, maybe I got the code wrong – next time I will try : or ; – 0 ) bracketing.

    firstly it is NOT my thread – I merely commented in it. Also, where in the title of the thread do you see SEO?

    Secondly SEO would be the implementation of the end result of sharing business tools, not the reason – in this specific case maybe, but you fail to see or understand the whole concept here , in my opinion because that is all you know, SEO – there is a whole other business world out there besides SEO. That is why I said take the blinkers off. There is no doubt that SEO is an important component in ranking on the internet and hence should be a component in any internet marketing strategy – it should not though be the strategy. Not every PR 1 #1 site is a successful business – see there is a distinct difference between an internet site and an internet marketing business. Many internet SEO geeks don’t quite get it, maybe you know some like this? SEO is not the be all and end all of page ranking – some of these geeks you may know actually can’t differentiate between SEO and PR, they think the terms are the same :)

    Many thanks for your offer to make a video for me – please make it in .wmv format and when ready pm me and then you can send me the link. FS would probably like to have a copy as well to put into a board called expert SEO videos to share with members – but wait, that would be tantamount to sharing a business tool, right?

    Lastly, reference your last sentence – that is why I came to this forum, read the promo(s) for the site – this forum is only a component of the whole site, it is not the focal point of the business of the site, this is a freebie. Tell me which part of what you said in the last sentence is not a component of the forum here?

    Now here is a challenge for you Gabriel – lets pretend you are a business person and not just an SEO geek (in the world of SEO it is ludicrous to use the term expert, specialist, professional or similar given that SEO is far from an exact science and indeed is not even a profession so please do not be offended if I do not attribute one of those terms to you – Matt Cutts doesn’t mind).

    So the challenge is to provide some practical business advantage or benefit to a member, or members, in here at no cost – something concrete, something you thought of, something new and different, something that makes logical sense. Now that you have thought of something the real challenge is to develop a way to implement that advantage effectively (the business end) – implement and deliver it cost effectively, delivering the expected measured results. Sound simple? – it is, but many fail – why? I will make you a video if you wish detailing the answers.

    ….. “to stand out from the crowd and be successful think not of why an idea will not work, anyone can do that, but more so how to make it work – such mental exertion is rarely wasted and often produces positive results, not everyone can do that” ….. author unknown

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Tim Davies, post: 48515 wrote:
    I’d love to hear some suggestions from people that have worked out an efficient way to get plenty of back links to your website? Im happy to reciprocate links, but it seems the rest of the web world isnt. I dont understand why, when we should all be about helping each other push ahead? (other than your direct competition that is).

    What about good directories which are a must?

    Thanks in advance fellow soloists.

    Tim, the reason why a lot of us have moved away from reciprocal links is they are not as effective as one way backlinks

    Regarding one way backlinks, it’s better to collect a few do follow, high quality backlinks than thousands of low quality ones

    In my experience, the best way to go about this is article syndication and guest blogging.

    Good luck

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    I’m happy to make a video when I finish my video blog (coming soon!)

    shags I will reply this post later on … sorry If I sound close SEO minded . I understand the value in your idea.

    Until my next reply – happy Fathers day.

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    seocourse, post: 49103 wrote:
    I’m happy to make a video when I finish my video blog (coming soon!)

    shags I will reply this post later on … sorry If I sound close SEO minded . I understand the value in your idea.

    Until my next reply – happy Fathers day.

    you too – I see the little one on your lap :)

    cheers,
    Mike

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    shags38
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    Niche, post: 49101 wrote:
    Tim, the reason why a lot of us have moved away from reciprocal links is they are not as effective as one way backlinks

    Regarding one way backlinks, it’s better to collect a few do follow, high quality backlinks than thousands of low quality ones

    In my experience, the best way to go about this is article syndication and guest blogging.

    Good luck
    Niche – Tim,

    so often I hear “better” but rarely no good. Yes one way backlinks are better than reciprocal links SOMETIMES, certainly not all the time. The reason Google started suggesting one way links were better was because of the huge amount of reciprocal linking that was going on, most of it with little relevance. So Google decided to discourage it, not by saying they did not value the links but in a very subtle way, almost subliminal, suggested they weren’t happy and then “highlighted” the value of the backlink component of a reciprocal link.

    BINGO !!!! – SEO experst and webmasters worldwide interpret / perceive Google to mean they do not like reciprocal links – the huge volume of recirprocal linking slows considerably to a more “genuine” level – Google have achieved what they wanted, natural linking not “forced”. BUT in doing so they created another monster in its place, the baclink industry. Now they are suggesting concerns about that – again forced linking, not in line with their ethos of “providing quality search results in line with the searchers requests”.

    Reciprocal links were never bad (I know you did not say they were bad Niche)inbound (back) links were the better part of the two way linking process for ranking, obviously – and they still are. Matt Cutts of Google has recently conceded that reciprocal linking was never off the map and indeed they have a preference now for relevant reciprocal links than just links period. Of course they have a preference for “relevance” in links period – often the best relevance links come from reciprocal links because they have been sought / researched / agreed to by both parties and generally with no money changing hands as compared to purchased backlinks (most of which have little relevance – in fact many paid for backlinks are from lapsed domains, they are ok for a while until Google crawls a few times to see that the site is stagnant and the brownie points for that link get reduced.).

    Hence, in my humble opinion, I believe reciprocal links are in many cases better than a straight inbound link. Some one way links are good, like from forums like this and other “authorative” sites (online mags, .org organizations etc) however from a subject / topic / product / market viewpoint it is extremely difficult to get one way backlinks from those that count, not impossible but difficult. Example – my currect sites focus on consumer electronics – there is no way I am going to bet backlinks from Samsung, Nokia, Sony etc etc however I “may” be able to get a recirpocal link if they like my site, like their product exposure on my site.

    So getting recip links from the next tier down (large retailers / wholesalers) is the next target then competitors. YES, COMPETITORS …… especially in the dot com world the world is a big place with lots of customers to go around – if co-operating with a cyberspace competitor gets you a high PR and that in turn gets you business then why not?? Why do the fast food outlets, furniture stores etc all promulgate these days next to each other or in close proximity (car yards have been doing it for eons) – CHOICE – people like choices. Lets go and get a Macas burger ….. hey, I haven’t had KFC for a while I’ll have that today – and so on. Gettin a competitor to recip link with you is not easy but can be done – it is all in the approach. If your competitor is a true business person they will see the benefits to them also. A fairly easy approach to get good quality links in the same field / product is to target sites with different ccTLDs – e.g. if your site is a .au then approach all the .com sites, .co.uk, .ca etc etc – some may also sell in Australia but the percentage would be small.

    It is really a matter of time – time to surf – make your email a template then personalize it before sending adding comment in it about THEIR SITE (colour / product range / presenation etc – make them feel warm and fuzzy so they perceive you as a fellow business person noit a “competitor”).

    My eleventeen cents worth – so Tim, I will be in touch by PM to see if my sites interest you for linking ( I have 7 currently – some are below in my signature – and by the way if you only have one site it is ok you can stiil have seven links from me if you so desire – if we are both happy to exchange that is).

    cheers,
    Mike – excuse spelling errors – can’t be bothered proof reading – :)

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    Hey Guys,

    I need some help here interpreting some Google Webmaster data – I tried their help section to no avail – I could go to their forum but I figured someone in here would know.

    In the search queries section where it shows avg position – example I have a search term that when I click on the position of 69 it breaks it down to 6 to 10
    followed by page 2 followed by page 3+. When I do a G search for the term I find my site on page 6 #5 (#55?). So none of the numbers match but that is understandable, close though 69 vs 55 – Question – what does 6 to 10 mean? it comes up in many of my search terms, and what did page 2 mean given that my site wasn’t there?

    Another one shows 6.0 in ave position column then when expanded shows “6 to 10” – actual search is PR 1 #6 which validates the 6.0 but again the first reference is 6 to 10 ??? – another shows 6-10, page 2 but is actually on page 6 ???

    I do know what page 3+ means (do some SEO :) )

    Is 6 to 10 supposed to mean somewhere between pages 6 and 10 ??

    cheers,
    Mike

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    Niche, post: 49101 wrote:
    Tim, the reason why a lot of us have moved away from reciprocal links is they are not as effective as one way backlinks

    Regarding one way backlinks, it’s better to collect a few do follow, high quality backlinks than thousands of low quality ones

    In my experience, the best way to go about this is article syndication and guest blogging.

    Good luck

    Noted, thank Niche. I didn’t think it was such a contentious issue. I think you’re right about ‘article syndication and guest blogging’ as well. I guess we all just want to be doing everything we can whatever that may be. Thanks.

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    Hi Tim,

    I took a look at silkroadtrade.com.au. Good to see you have sensible page titles.

    I’ve had success building links to some of my sites and with others I’ve struggled, so I am not an expert, but here are some ideas that come to mind, I am sure some are crazier than others :)

    I think your target clients are Australian retailers and wholesalers who currently are importing from China or are thinking about importing from China.

    0 – Holy Grail, scalable content. I have no specifics here but if you can think of some useful, non-copied content that you can produce on a mass scale, producing hundreds or thousands of pages quickly this can have an impact over night. But it can’t be low quality copied content. This is a hard one but worth thinking about.

    1 – Create a list of possible problems with importing from China. Be brutal, “low quality”, “unreliable servicing”, “misleading package and labeling” etc. Then email Australia businesses that are not importing from China.

    Say “We’ve noticed that some of your competitors are competing with you using cheaper imported Chinese manufactured good, we’ve created a list of possible consumer risks associated with these imported goods, you might want to link to it on your blog so your customers can see the risks involved in switching to your competitor.

    How sneaky is that! Using the risks associated with importing from China to build links to your service that helps ameliorate those risks!

    2 – Create a similar list with the problems and ways that the risks can be reduced “low quality manufacturing – regular plant inspection”, “misleading packaging – Local and outsourced quality control, just like Apple does”.

    Email every Australian company you can find that sells products imported from China.

    “We’re experts on the importation of Chinese goods and we’ve noticed some in your product line. Here is a link to the best practices of importing from China, which we know you’re following, feel free to link to it on your blog so your customers can be reassured that many of the myths about Chinese products aren’t true”.

    3 – Create a page specifically about the 10 biggest manufacturing areas in China.

    Include a map, a description, some photos of smiling people standing outside factories.

    Email every business that imports products manufactured in those areas.

    “Hi, we’ve noticed you are selling products manufactured in Hang Xiang (made up name :) ) province.

    We have put together a cute little page about Hang Xiang and it’s growing economy, you might want to link to the page from your site so your customers get a feel for where their goods are coming from”.

    4 – Write mini reviews of any related service provider. A logistics company, a legal company etc.

    Then when you’ve written the review email them and tell them you’ve written a review of their service, ask for any feeedback or corrections they have and mention that they might want to link to the review from their site.

    *don’t forget if you are ever emailing someone and asking them to link to you include the link html in your email.

    That way it’s easier for them, they can just cut and paste, and you get to suggest the link text.

    So don’t just say “you might want to link to this”, say “If you think your blog readers would be interested you might want to add this link : Great info on China manufacturing

    5 – Statistics and surveys. Do you have any information or stats that you could publish, maybe a survey.

    Can you contact a bunch of Australian importers and ask them to fill out a 3 question survey. Then you could email (via linkedin perhaps) aussie business journalists and let them know about the survey, or offer to provide them the survey responses (you could anonymize them, giving only a brief company profile not the company name). Get some business journos to consider you a source.

    Cheers
    Sam

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    I think there are lots of ideas out there, the problem is they all take effort and can be hit and miss in terms of actually getting you links. I guess the smart thing is to keep pumping out useful content and always be thinking about the long term.

    Make sure your content will age well, make sure it won’t seem dated in a year or two.

    – Create a checklist for importers to follow if they have problems, who should they call if they have customs problems, who should they call in China if they think they’ve been ripped off, how long should they wait for an over due delivery etc.

    Make the checklist look as nice as possible, not just text, put in some images.

    Email all the Australian business coaches you can find and tell them they might want to link to the checklist on their blog as a service to their importing readers and clients.

    – Create a series of comparison, “Importing from China to Aus Vs Importing from China to UK vs Importing from China to USA”, which is more bureaucratic ? Which is more expensive ? Which has the most tarrif / regulatory issues ?

    Email business bloggers and journalists, ask them to comment on your comparison on your blog or theirs. Start up a public discussion about China importing, is it too hard, too easy, who has the best regulation ?

    – Write up the worst China importing story you can find, make sure it’s written up well, make it funny if possible, with funny images. Email business bloggers saying “Your readers may be interested in this fascinating cautionary tale!”

    People like to read about conflict and other people dealing with stressful situations.

    – Issue some sort of challenge to the business blogging community. I’m not sure exactly what sort of challenge but something that will get people talking.

    – A few days ago I posted this blog entry about China :
    http://www.samonsoftware.com/?p=502

    I posted it on news.ycombinator.com and it got a pretty good response, no doubt that will lead to a few people tweeting it or putting it up somewhere.

    – Review books about China and business in China. Not bestseller books from big publishers but more obscure books. Once you’ve written up a review email the author and publisher and tell them about the review.

    – Links from .edu sites are more valuable than links from .com sites. Is there anything you can do with educational institutions ? Is there a talk your could give or some reading material you could provide. Maybe to a university but even a high school economics class might love for you to come and give a 40 minute talk about business growth in China.

    If they are interested ask if they could mention it on their website so you can link to their coverage from your blog.

    – Write an article strongly disagreeing with someone who is well known in the Australian business world. Find something Kochie or a senior writer for The Australian Financial Review has said about China that you disagree with. Write a provocative article explaining how they have it all wrong.

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    – On your website you have great images of Chinese business, pictures of factories, ships, containers etc.

    Set up a directory of “Images of Chinese business”, collect hundreds of images of Chinese business activity, put a note at the top saying “All images are copyright SilkRoad, you may use these images in your website, blog, newspaper or magazine as long as you include a “image from http://www.silkroadtrade.com.au” note.

    Google search for anyone who has written blog articles or web content about Chinese manufacturing, email them saying “Love your writing on Chinese manufacturing, in the future you are most welcome to illustrate your articles with images from our “Images of Chinese business” directory.

    – If you’re not familiar with ‘infographics’, search for the term in images.google.com
    Find an interesting/clever way to visualize public information.

    Search the Bureau of stats and other public sources for China trade statistics.

    Graph the growth in Australian imports from China over the last 30 years in some interesting way. Once you have some interesting well presented graphics email all the business bloggers you can and say “Your readers might be interested in some statistics we put together on Chinese imports”.

    – Survey Australian academic economists (especially ones with blogs, such as http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/ ) with 4 questions on China. Then publish the results, “X percent of surveyed Australian academic economists think China trade will….”.

    Let all the academics know when your published the survey results and issue a press release to the media.

    – Survey Chinese academic economists about what they think about Australia. Once you have the results issue a press release. “40% of surveyed Chinese economists think Brazil will overtake Australia as their main resource supplier”, or whatever the case may be.

    – Get your man in China to do street interviews with people on the street asking them what they know about Australia, make it funny, post the videos on your site along with an article about cultural relations between Australia and China, send out a press release linking to the article “Kangaroos for dinner, what the Chinese think about Australia”.

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    Thanks heaps for your time and thought Sam. There’s so much go info in there I dont know where to start. I think ill have to have read through a few times over and highligh what seems like the most effective way to start. I can thank you enough for your suggestions, but more to the point the thought behind them.

    Seems I opened a fair can of worms when i posted the original thread. Its been great to see the response, im sure your suggestions for my web site will provoke a lot of thought with others as well.

    Thanks all, you’re been a great help.

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    Hi Tim,

    As far as I can see you are being given a bunch of good general advice that applies to consumer search markets.

    The problem is that your situation is not one of a generalist consumer search marketer and I don’t see much that is useful to your needs being proposed in this post to date.

    Forget external links – they are a waste of time and effort in many industrial market. You need to adopt a strategy of targeting the widest range of relevant “industrial” search phrases.

    Focus on publishing pages about the types of products, services and industries that you want to target.

    I just doubled an industrial company’s website traffic in one month adopting this simple strategy. Six months from now it will probably attract 4 times the visitors.

    Regs,

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    Hi again,

    Just to follow up on John’s comment – I don’t know if your question was for any particular website but would echo the sentiment there is some excellent advice here.

    As for whether you will actually need links or not – it really depends on what search phrases you are hoping to get ranked for. If you are trying to get ranked for search phrases that are not very competitive then you’ll probably not need many links, if indeed any. Good content with good titles and getting Google to crawl your site is likely to be enough on the non competitive stuff.

    If on the other hand you are looking to rank for competitive phrases you will almost certainly need some decent backlinks. Backlinks are a hugely important factor in getting ranked for competitive terms. They help indicate to Google that others find your content to be of value and therefore worthy of a listing.

    So if you are trying to get ranked for “advice on importing goods from China” then don’t sweat the backlinks (there is even an article directory in the top 10 for that) but if you’re trying to rank for “new york hotels” you’ll need a stack of good links!

    Hope that puts some further perspective on it :)

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