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    Anon
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    So Magento is really the Rolls Royce of shopping carts. Currently I’m running a few online stores and need to change carts to a multi-store function and have been pondering OpenCart vs Magento Community vs Magento Enterprise. Obviously the Enterprise is far more expensive with being $15k USD per year with the others being Open Source and free (just paying for addons). The features that it offers would be ideal for me, but it is still very expensive. When do you think the time would be to move over to something like Magento Enterpise? Do you think it’s more so based on your turnover than anything if so what do you think that would be?

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    JohnTranter
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    My understanding for Magento at least is :

    If you have someone running your ecommerce site full time who’s running specific marketing campaigns targeting specific market segments whilst offering rewards, private sales, events, gifts etc. then you should probably run Magento Enterprise.

    If you want to occasionally run marketing campaigns, with gifts and rewards but most days you’ll just be taking orders, then Magento Community.

    I don’t use Opencart, but I did read a nice comparison :

    • opencart is built to be an out of the box solution, lightweight, have great features, be easy to extend and maintain, but it is not the most customizable piece of sofware out there.
    • magento is built to be an extremelly configurable and customizable sofware, but it’s not meant to be an out of the box nor a lightweight solution for e-commerce

    All three offer multiple stores and B2B

    So, in my opinion, it all comes down to how you want to run your site.

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    JohnTranter, post: 129311 wrote:
    All three offer multiple stores and B2B

    John,

    what do you mean by ‘they offer B2B’?

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    Paul B., post: 129322 wrote:
    John,

    what do you mean by ‘they offer B2B’?

    I guess at the simplest level it’s just a case of being able to limit sales to people with accounts. i.e. people need to log into your site before they can see your products.
    e.g. You might be a wholesaler offering products to stockists around the country, but you don’t want consumers to see, or purchase at, wholesale prices.

    With Magento you can segment your customers into different groups and offer different prices to each group. So with one site you can offer products at RRP, but, on the same page, offer the same product to stockists/affiliates at a wholesale price.

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    JohnTranter, post: 129347 wrote:
    I guess at the simplest level it’s just a case of being able to limit sales to people with accounts. i.e. people need to log into your site before they can see your products.
    e.g. You might be a wholesaler offering products to stockists around the country, but you don’t want consumers to see, or purchase at, wholesale prices.

    With Magento you can segment your customers into different groups and offer different prices to each group. So with one site you can offer products at RRP, but, on the same page, offer the same product to stockists/affiliates at a wholesale price.

    Ah I see. Thank you

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    JohnTranter, post: 129311 wrote:
    I don’t use Opencart, but I did read a nice comparison :

    • opencart is built to be an out of the box solution, lightweight, have great features, be easy to extend and maintain, but it is not the most customizable piece of sofware out there.
    • magento is built to be an extremelly configurable and customizable sofware, but it’s not meant to be an out of the box nor a lightweight solution for e-commerce

    I do use Opencart, recommended by a friend of mine who is one of the foremost PHP developers in Australia who will be soon launching his own online ecommerce application. I’ve also used Magento, Prestashop, oscommerce, zencart, and a variety of WordPress ecommerce plugins over the years.

    The code base on Opencart is very good, far better than the others mentioned above, which is more like the Joomla of ecommerce systems rather than “Rolls Royce”. They have spent a good deal of money on marketing.

    Opencart is also highly configurable, with a large amount of modules/extensions, plus due to the clean, well structured code base it’s very easy to have programmers create new extensions with far less development time than a similar feature would take in Magento.

    Magento is also uses a very high amount of server resources, so for anything but the simplest site a shared hosting environment will often not be sufficient. Though even for simpler sites it uses far more server resources than it should.

    As I said, Magento has very good marketing.

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    JohnTranter, post: 129347 wrote:
    With Magento you can segment your customers into different groups and offer different prices to each group. So with one site you can offer products at RRP, but, on the same page, offer the same product to stockists/affiliates at a wholesale price.
    As you can with Opencart and a number of other ecommerce options.
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    Zava Design, post: 129357 wrote:
    The code base on Opencart is very good, far better than the others mentioned above, which is more like the Joomla of ecommerce systems rather than “Rolls Royce”. They have spent a good deal of money on marketing.

    Out of interest, given that you’ve used both, what is the difference between the two frameworks from a coding point of view?

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    I’ve playing around with admin panels with OpenCart and Magento and OpenCart is far the easier one.

    The main problems I have with OpenCart is that my C/C Processing Gateway is not compatible with them – So I will need to find a new one (Probably eWay). They have an outdated addon that does not work with the most recent version and don’t understand enough about OpenCart to update their program. I have talked to them about it and it’s pretty bad considering they are one of the more popular Australian Gateways.

    I can not find any compatible or working OpenCart addon to work with Australia Post to get the correct postage prices from their website. But more importantly I don’t think there is any addon that will allow OpenCart to easily work automatically with E-Parcel.

    I know OpenCart is still fairly new but it’s worrying that it’s still not compatible with so many important things. Magento has everything and gets much more support, but still there’s the more complicated admin panel, addons more expensive, and there’s more work for a developer to do (so costing more).

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    JohnTranter, post: 129378 wrote:
    Out of interest, given that you’ve used both, what is the difference between the two frameworks from a coding point of view?
    Magento is very obviously meant to be “everything for everybody”, with a lot more bloat, whereas Opencart is far more streamlined, built to be used out of the box, but also to be extended via developers far more easily.

    Now if my dev friend had time he could probably explain it a lot better than I, but as I said he’s a little busy building his own online ecommerce application for release later this year. Seems it’s all the rage. ;)

    Of course your view will probably be different, it’s your weapon of choice, but I’m more platform neutral and prefer to make a judgement as objectively as possible (which is never fully objectively of course, impossible as the human species).

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    Zava Design, post: 129386 wrote:
    Of course your view will probably be different, it’s your weapon of choice, but I’m more platform neutral and prefer to make a judgement as objectively as possible (which is never fully objectively of course, impossible as the human species).

    Well yes, of course I’m slightly biased but I try not to disparage other solutions because of it. Magento was an easy choice for me coming off the back of a couple of projects I’d built using the Zend Framework, which Magento uses.
    My next project mandated Magento due to the complexity of the multishop environment.
    Then, given the commercial interest in Magento, it’s a no-brainer for me to specialise and carry on with it.
    And the more I use it, the more I like Magento.

    But given that I’ve just spent the last 3 weeks fixing a magento site for which I was the 4th developer to work on it over an 18 month period, (finally went live last week), I can understand that it’s not for every developer.

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    Zava Design
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    The main issues I have with Magento – and they seem pretty common – are the amount of server resources it uses, and the bloated code which does not really follow “best practices”, and thus adds a of overhead to the entire application.

    It’s a bit like some of the more complex WordPress theme frameworks, for example. Yes, they can make some things easier for people who don’t code, but the cost of that can sometimes impact on site performance.

    In my opinion (and it is just an opinion), I think Magento is overkill for the majority of ecommerce sites. Saying that, it’s probably a step up from using a WordPress ecommerce plugin.

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    I have heard some bad things about the reliability of updates of Opencart, and the compatibility of updates to themes and other plugins.

    Any truth to this?

    It’s one of the reasons I decided not to touch it.

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    Anon, post: 129385 wrote:
    I’ve playing around with admin panels with OpenCart and Magento and OpenCart is far the easier one.

    The main problems I have with OpenCart is that my C/C Processing Gateway is not compatible with them – So I will need to find a new one (Probably eWay). They have an outdated addon that does not work with the most recent version and don’t understand enough about OpenCart to update their program. I have talked to them about it and it’s pretty bad considering they are one of the more popular Australian Gateways.

    I can not find any compatible or working OpenCart addon to work with Australia Post to get the correct postage prices from their website. But more importantly I don’t think there is any addon that will allow OpenCart to easily work automatically with E-Parcel.

    I know OpenCart is still fairly new but it’s worrying that it’s still not compatible with so many important things. Magento has everything and gets much more support, but still there’s the more complicated admin panel, addons more expensive, and there’s more work for a developer to do (so costing more).
    i know quoting your own post is a sin, but would anyone be able to help with these queries?

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    Zava Design
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    Did you try the Opencart forums? You’ll more likely get an answer there than a small business forum I’m sure.

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