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    Suzanne
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    Hi, I am looking at re-doing my website so that I can manage it myself. I already have a shopify shopping cart on there and the website part of it was built in iweb by a friend. It looks nice enough but not practical for me. I’m not particularly computer savvy and would like to hear what a people think of wordpress in general. I am thinking to keep the shopify cart and link it up to a wordpress site. I would get the site built by someone and then learn how to manage it myself. I want to change the look of my site so that it is more interactive, draws people in more easily, showcases my products well and encourages some shopping. The next step after sorting the site out will be to tackle SEO so I’m assuming this needs to be kept in mind during the development of the site. The SEO stuff I will also outsource – my talents lie elsewhere….

    http://www.circleoflifebotanicals.com.au is my site for those of you who are interested to see it.

    please note: I am interested in what everyone has to tell me but i am easily bamboozled by computer speak so please can you try and keep it as simple as possible. Much appreciated

    Thanks, Suzanne

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    LucasArthur
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    Hi Suzanne

    There are lots of posts on here re wordpress, have a quick search for some quick reads which talk about all things WP… although in saying that, you will get many a varied reply.. some saying good, some saying bad, some saying nothing.. its all very personal.

    please note: plugin = a module that ‘plugs into’ WordPress (WP) to allow it to be tweaked and customised for your specific requirements a little, in functionality.. Whereas, THEME means tweaking the looks of your site..

    I have used WP and find it very helpful for us, have modded it out a bit although it is wise to have some deploy and create a custom look to suit your intended image..

    Good luck
    Jason

    Jason Ramage | Lucas Arthur Pty Ltd | E: [email protected]   P: 61 3 8324 0344    M: 61 412 244 888
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    Suzanne
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    Thanks jason, I have already found some other wordpress posts – all very interesting – what I can understand of the lingo! I am avidly reading everything I can – I’m quite inspired to learn this stuff after years of being afraid of it…..
    Do you find your wordpress site easy to manage yourself?

    I want to be able to add special offers and little bits of info when I want to, probably including images too….

    I know there are lots of tutorials available – I’m hoping they are user friendly too.

    thanks, Suzanne

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    Divert To Mobile
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    Suzanne , post: 153226 wrote:
    I would get the site built by someone and then learn how to manage it myself.

    The SEO stuff I will also outsource – my talents lie elsewhere….

    Hi Suzanne,

    Based on what you have just said, I think its a perfect platform for you.
    You will find it easy to work with and make rudimentary changes to your site.

    Steve

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    Brent@Ontrax
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    I recommend you consult an SEO BEFORE you design and build your site.
    You will find HEAPS or WordPress and SEO people on this forum.

    Brent

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    I have a WordPress site and believe me, if I can update images, change content etc, then anybody can!!

    Using terminology that you’ll appreciate, it’s like a giant Word document. You can use just the basics of typing and fonts, or you can delve into formats and lots of other nifty little tools.

    I found the best way to learn was to do :D

    Wendy :)

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    Suzanne
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    I spoke to an SEO company in Sydney that sounded very impressive and they said they could build a wordpress site for me first and then focus on the SEO. Their basic SEO package is $350 per month, which is quite a lot for a little biz like mine – but I could manage it.

    What are peoples thoughts on having ‘all my eggs in one basket’ or getting someone to set up the wordpress site for me and then get someone different to manage the SEO part of it?

    Thanks, Suzanne

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    John Templeton
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    Wordpress is perfect for someone who is just starting out on website building and maintenance. I’d say it would be the perfect platform for you to be able to maintain yourself – maybe think about engaging someone to build it initially for you. SEO can be a bit full on if you don’t know what you’re doing so outsourcing that is probably not a bad idea either. Good luck!

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    Josh
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    Hi Suzanne,

    From what you’ve told us so far, WordPress is a perfect platform for you and you should stick with WordPress + your current shopify cart. Your site is actually quite decent already, but as you said something more engaging and dynamic will go a loooong way.

    I recently wrote a post about WordPress vs SilverStripe, not sure if it’ll help you decide. There are literally millions of WordPress templates out there, if you pick one off themeforst or woothemes or any other big theme site. Then get a web dev to install it for you at a small cost, should save you some money.

    When it comes to SEO, building an authoritative site is likely what will give you Google exposure longevity. The $350/month is not bad, but it’s most important to find someone you can trust as SEO can be a bit “airy fairy”.

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    MatthewKeath
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    Suzanne , post: 153268 wrote:
    I spoke to an SEO company in Sydney that sounded very impressive and they said they could build a wordpress site for me first and then focus on the SEO. Their basic SEO package is $350 per month, which is quite a lot for a little biz like mine – but I could manage it.

    What are peoples thoughts on having ‘all my eggs in one basket’ or getting someone to set up the wordpress site for me and then get someone different to manage the SEO part of it?

    Thanks, SuzanneIt’s really is impossible to say – make sure you check out the other sites they have done to make sure you like them.

    Getting TARGETED traffic to your site is only half the battle, once you have them there, is your site ready to convert?

    $350 per month is pretty cheap for SEO – I would certainly talk to some more companies.

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    Suzanne , post: 153268 wrote:
    What are peoples thoughts on having ‘all my eggs in one basket’ or getting someone to set up the wordpress site for me and then get someone different to manage the SEO part of it?

    Thanks, Suzanne

    Its probably a good idea to have the seo people build the site.
    1. Be sure that you have arranged the hosting
    2. You own the site and rights to all the art
    3. you check out some of their other work.

    Steve

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    JohnW
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    Hi Suzanne,
    I helped a programmer build one of the first Aust content management systems in 1995. I did not do any of the programming. My role was in the area of usability. I only mention this as a measure of the scope of content management systems I’ve seen from one of the very first until today’s crop.

    And with my SEO hat on, I get to see many of them.

    Suggestions:

    1. If you have limited Internet knowledge you will need good and on-going tech support – whatever CMS you choose.

    2. WordPress (among others) gives people far more management capabilities than they have the knowledge to handle. As a result, disasters are the norm not the exception. (Most WordPress site owners don’t even know they have a web page publishing disaster on their hands, IMHO. I regard it as the single biggest generator of demand for SEO services I’ve ever encountered.)

    3. The page publishing system accounts for maybe 20% of the success of any website.

    WordPress was built to be a blogging platform. When people turn it into a non-blog web page publishing program is when the complications start.

    Yes, it can perform admirably as a non-blog platform but you immediately start “upping” the demand on you to learn a lot more about the consequences of what you may be doing.

    People have spoken of “plug-ins” – as soon as you go in this direction you really must become very knowledgeable about security issues. Try searching Google for: 30,000 wordpress sites hacked.

    In among the many results you will find articles like, “Latest Mass Compromise of WordPress sites“.

    You can change your G. search settings to last month results only, and search for “hacked WordPress sites” or WordPress security flaws”. The results may scare the pants off you.

    The bottom line is, if you are “not particularly computer savvy” – get yourself some support who will help you learn and show you the pitfalls. These issues are not specific to WordPress. I can say the same about any open source CMS.

    There is so much more to consider than the reports offered here about WordPress suggest. With respect, I think it is because people who have acquired a certain level of knowledge about a specific product forget how long and hard that initial learning curve was.
    Regs,
    JohnW

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    Anonymous
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    Just a quick note to say thanks for all the help you’ve offered Suzanne folks – you guys are the best :)

    Jayne

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    Divert To Mobile, post: 153288 wrote:
    Its probably a good idea to have the seo people build the site.
    I would say “sometimes” rather than probably.

    Do they specialise in design and development as well as SEO? If not, then they could be glorified WordPress “amateurs”, using way too many plugins and a not well coded theme for the site. It’s highly unusual for someone to be proficient in both.

    Wordpress can be a very good tool for a small business site. However going on from what John touches on above, out of the box it’s a blogging platform, and it really needs someone who knows what they’re doing to customise to be a good business site. I’ve lost count of the number of people I know who have “broken” their site due to having too many options they can change.

    As suggested earlier in this thread, I would do a lot more research, especially if having someone do both the design & development and the SEO.

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    MatthewKeath
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    JohnW, post: 153305 wrote:
    WordPress was built to be a blogging platform. When people turn it into a non-blog web page publishing program is when the complications start.

    Could you expand on this John?

    JohnW, post: 153305 wrote:
    People have spoken of “plug-ins” – as soon as you go in this direction you really must become very knowledgeable about security issues. Try searching Google for: 30,000 wordpress sites hacked. Agree 100%

    This is why I have disabled clients adding plugins to the sites I build, A poorly coded plugin + not updating WordPress and plugins is asking for trouble. If they want to use a plugin, or have some sort of feature they wish to include, then they contact me for advice. I then find a solution for there problem, which may or may not include a trusted plugin.

    Updating is vital with WordPress. Because most people neglect this I have starting including WordPress and plugin updates in my hosting package.

    I also agree that setting a WordPress site up yourself has a steep learning curve, but having a pro set it up for you and teaching you how to use it negates this.

    P.S I am a WordPress fan, but the right tool for the job is something to keep in mind. Thankfully, for most small business websites, WordPress, done right, is the right tool for the job.

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