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    nighttax
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    Per my reply to my Request for reviews post. Please consider the following info for a quote to rebuild/design my 2 websites.

    Ok so if I accept the constructive criticism. Then I should get some quotes on a rebuild on both my sites. nighttax.com.au and freebookkeeping.com.au so that they present a professional and uniform image. I did visit most contributors websites and viewed your portfolios and went to some of those sites. I did notice some pages took a loooooong time to load so I assume that is what another thread was talking about when discussing WordPress. Also some sites did not seem to adjust to the viewers screen. Please keep in mind that, if you quote, I will expect the site you build to look as good as the templates some of you have suggested AND I will expect the site to load as fast or faster than my current sites. All the info is on the sites and the number of pages is on the sites so I expect some rewording as suggested and a professional look. Please quote if you can really supply a good looking and fast site. Slow sites will not be paid for, just thought I would state that upfront so you know a little more about me.

    I look forward to some quotes via PM or my email in the websites.

    regards
    Evan

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    Hi Evan

    Interesting turn from a review post?

    Although i am not a designer or developer of web sites, may i suggest that you consider your comment about it must be same or faster than your site… Reason i suggest this is that your existing sites are merely text which may be a quicker load, be it potentially at the cost of what others have already suggested that you may benefit from.

    You have put a fair bit of effort into learning this stuff, i remember seeing a couple of advancements and posts for reviews, maybe you could benefit from controlling the development yourself from simply buying a template? will also keep your costs down…

    Being in your field, do yourself a SWAT and assess the pros and cons of everything, including speed, acquisition of new clients, professional appearance and so forth to ensure someone actually can deliverwhat you want and what you think you require..

    Will watch the post with interest, as i am with your feedback one :)

    Be well mate

    Jason

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    nighttax
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    Thanks for the input Jason and thanks for the expressions of interest from those who have PM’d me.

    Bit more info for everyone. Thought 1 post would make it simpler.

    I am in a start up phase and unlike many other accountants ( I actually do have ethics) I have not stolen clients from my previous employers so income is slow. Hence budget is low.

    How I see it (as more information for the site builders)

    – yes there are many prebuilt templates I can buy on more sites than I can poke a stick at and all look very good and all are very cheap and come with low cost support and mods.
    – If I am going to do someones books for a year and Financial Statements and Tax return for $440.00 a year and there is a lot more time, skill, legal knowledge, uni qualifications, insurances and government licenses involved than what is needed to build websites. What will you do for me?
    – I have premium hosting already so don’t need anyone else.
    – I have rebuilt the sites to be uniform and utilise a very basic template and to use some ideas that were given to me.
    – accountants do contract law, tax law, commercial law, business law, corporate law yet no-one wants to pay them as much as a lawyer or a website builder. Not happy Jan. So yes I will expect realistic prices given that I do know the cost of many of the templates that most will use and I know how long it takes to modify a template and populate it, even for an amateur beginner like me. So I will expect a realistic price.
    – once again the existing sites do convey the basic information I want to convey. Bulldust on a website for the sake of words that are meant to impress fools does not interest me. Maybe that makes me dumb in that sense, but clients who sit at a table with me soon know I can walk the walk better than those who talk the talk so I am not expecting complicated content. Basically what I have got on the current sites,in maybe a more polished manner.

    Hope that helps clear up some missing info for everyone.

    Regards
    Evan

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    nighttax, post: 203853 wrote:
    How I see it (as more information for the site builders)

    – yes there are many prebuilt templates I can buy on more sites than I can poke a stick at and all look very good and all are very cheap and come with low cost support and mods.
    – If I am going to do someones books for a year and Financial Statements and Tax return for $440.00 a year and there is a lot more time, skill, legal knowledge, uni qualifications, insurances and government licenses involved than what is needed to build websites. What will you do for me?
    – I have premium hosting already so don’t need anyone else.
    – I have rebuilt the sites to be uniform and utilise a very basic template and to use some ideas that were given to me.
    – accountants do contract law, tax law, commercial law, business law, corporate law yet no-one wants to pay them as much as a lawyer or a website builder. Not happy Jan. So yes I will expect realistic prices given that I do know the cost of many of the templates that most will use and I know how long it takes to modify a template and populate it, even for an amateur beginner like me. So I will expect a realistic price.
    – once again the existing sites do convey the basic information I want to convey. Bulldust on a website for the sake of words that are meant to impress fools does not interest me. Maybe that makes me dumb in that sense, but clients who sit at a table with me soon know I can walk the walk better than those who talk the talk so I am not expecting complicated content. Basically what I have got on the current sites,in maybe a more polished manner.
    How would you feel if barged into your office and told you how to do my books, insulted your profession, and suggested you were trying to rip me off ‘Because I used Xero once and I know how it works’

    Massive red flag for any ‘website builder’.

    Why don’t you buy a theme and do it yourself. I think everyone would be happier.

    Here is a protip – don’t insult people who are you are trying to get help from.

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    nighttax
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    Is that a bit like don’t insult people you are trying to get business from?
    Because boy have I coped a few in the past and I am the man with the money.

    I was not trying to insult anyone. I was just saying it how I see it when it comes to value. I did not try to tell you how much to charge. I honestly asked for quotes.

    You and others immediately came back with (NOT QUOTES) but the question HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND. I do not say that to my accountancy clients and you would run if an accountant said that to you when you went to get your work done.

    Business is business and I play it straight as I see it. I do not try to con people by doing a job to the maximum they can afford. I do a job for the cost of the job plus my profit. I have found Australian website builders to be some of the greediest in the world. I have paid website builders in Pakistan, Russia, India, Poland, Canada and the USA so I thought I would spell it out that I do not want greedy time wasters. Sorry for being honest

    When you and others want to offer a quote for the cost of the job + your profit margin. Then send me a quote as I asked for. Otherwise go and rip someone else off.

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    nighttax, post: 203860 wrote:
    Is that a bit like don’t insult people you are trying to get business from?
    Because boy have I coped a few in the past and I am the man with the money.

    I was not trying to insult anyone. I was just saying it how I see it when it comes to value. I did not try to tell you how much to charge. I honestly asked for quotes.

    You and others immediately came back with (NOT QUOTES) but the question HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND. I do not say that to my accountancy clients and you would run if an accountant said that to you when you went to get your work done.

    Business is business and I play it straight as I see it. I do not try to con people by doing a job to the maximum they can afford. I do a job for the cost of the job plus my profit. I have found Australian website builders to be some of the greediest in the world. I have paid website builders in Pakistan, Russia, India, Poland, Canada and the USA so I thought I would spell it out that I do not want greedy time wasters. Sorry for being honest

    When you and others want to offer a quote for the cost of the job + your profit margin. Then send me a quote as I asked for. Otherwise go and rip someone else off.I am flabbergasted you would post this on a small business forum.

    In never even asked you how much you wanted to spend, I simply asked you to give me a shout so I can learn more.

    Why are you asking for quotes here when we are greedy rip off merchants? Seems like you already know some good off shore people.

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    nighttax, post: 203860 wrote:
    Is that a bit like don’t insult people you are trying to get business from?
    Because boy have I coped a few in the past and I am the man with the money.

    You may has missed it but my post was a way of saying I would not work with you as it would end very badly…

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    nighttax
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    For all who read this. I owe an apology to Matthew as he was the only one who did not ask me how much I wanted to spend. I unequivocally apologise.

    As I said the post that you chose to take offense at was not meant to insult, it was meant as a red flag to any who wanted to be like so many that I have had quotes from in Australia for jobs for my clients. So thank you for red flagging it to the greedy.

    I do not think everyone this forum is a rip off and I thought I would try and give some money to an Aussie as well as the very good tax and accounting advice I have given for free on this forum.

    Yes I have excellent contacts overseas, but as I see even accountants sending their clients work to overseas sweatshops, I am sick of money leaving Australia soon we will all drop severely in living standards. I was more than happy to pay more than what I would pay even in the USA and Canada. But I am also sick of some (not all)Aussies wasting my time with obscenely exaggerated prices that do not reflect any significant skill difference.

    But Matt, you must also admit, you didn’t give me a quote either even though that is what I asked for and given I had published sites that showed what I wanted as I had stated, how many pages, basic content, it is all there. Only a template type and a bit of rewriting needed. Could be quoted on easily.

    I am again sorry I mistakenly included you in with other who PM’d me for an amount I wanted to spend.

    But now for a pro tip from an old and experienced and very qualified pro. When I want the money from the man with the money I don’t get all high and mighty when he roughs me up with a bit of business tactics. He can call me the biggest loser, thief, and many other swear words he likes, SO LONG AS I END UP WITH HIS MONEY AT A PROFIT he can have the power and the high ground. That is how we old dogs who are successful in business get our money.

    Now that’s a real pro tip.

    Regards
    Evan

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    Craig.Smith
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    nighttax, post: 203853 wrote:
    – yes there are many prebuilt templates I can buy on more sites than I can poke a stick at and all look very good and all are very cheap and come with low cost support and mods.
    – If I am going to do someones books for a year and Financial Statements and Tax return for $440.00 a year and there is a lot more time, skill, legal knowledge, uni qualifications, insurances and government licenses involved than what is needed to build websites. What will you do for me?

    Regards
    Evan

    Hi Evan,

    I would be mindful about belittling the IT profession, the tone of your posts come across very arrogant. Most IT professionals are highly qualified and skilled with either a 3-4yr degree (computer science, software engineering etc) and optional honors. Plus external certifications undertaken yearly to maintain their skills.

    It seems you want this website built for nothing. My suggestion would be if you have the spare time and the know how, do some online courses on some basic HTML, Javascript, scripting, SEO, SEM and do it yourself. Research your competitors, find a ~$50 template and modify it to suit your needs. Otherwise just post a job up on freelancer or odesk and hope for the best.

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    Interesting thread, for the record I am Matt’s business partner.

    We probably meeting 8 to 10 potential clients face to face a week for formal meetings, I would see maybe 50 to 100 networking depending on the week.

    Just yesterday we sat down with a potential client, the first thing he said to us was “lets cut to the chase, my budget is $xyz, can you work with in that?”

    We have set prices you can see them on our website.

    I would say that Matt was trying to get an idea of if you had any special requirements. We are currently doing 2 book keeper sites and an accountants site. One of these sites has a vault with SSL cert. This has an extra cost.

    So the questions were asked so we could quote accurately, as different additions may add another cost.

    We like to get it right for people so that they make money and get good return on their investment.

    Good luck!

    Lorna

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    nighttax, post: 203863 wrote:
    For all who read this. I owe an apology to Matthew as he was the only one who did not ask me how much I wanted to spend. I unequivocally apologise. Accepted

    nighttax, post: 203863 wrote:
    But Matt, you must also admit, you didn’t give me a quote either even though that is what I asked for and given I had published sites that showed what I wanted as I had stated, how many pages, basic content, it is all there. Only a template type and a bit of rewriting needed. Could be quoted on easily. I never give quotes until I understand what they need. If you need someone to buy a template and put your content in – well – that’s not what we do.

    nighttax, post: 203863 wrote:

    But now for a pro tip from an old and experienced and very qualified pro. When I want the money from the man with the money I don’t get all high and mighty when he roughs me up with a bit of business tactics. He can call me the biggest loser, thief, and many other swear words he likes, SO LONG AS I END UP WITH HIS MONEY AT A PROFIT he can have the power and the high ground. That is how we old dogs who are successful in business get our money.
    Nope, it not how I work.Life is too short and there are plenty of businesses out there. We have a stack of work right now.

    I find that if you let someone dominate you once, they will keep doing it. I know we offer real value to our clients. I don’t do that customer is always right bullshit.

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    nighttax, post: 203863 wrote:
    But now for a pro tip from an old and experienced and very qualified pro. When I want the money from the man with the money I don’t get all high and mighty when he roughs me up with a bit of business tactics. He can call me the biggest loser, thief, and many other swear words he likes, SO LONG AS I END UP WITH HIS MONEY AT A PROFIT he can have the power and the high ground. That is how we old dogs who are successful in business get our money.

    Now that’s a real pro tip.

    Regards
    Evan

    Hi Evan

    This post seems to have gained more interest than i thought it would, and appears to have done so due to the approach of the subject matter more so than the actual request :( Not casting any beliefs here, just observing..

    To my point as to why i am replying, your comment above has really taken me by surprise.. You state that you have provided free qualified input on this forum (which i have read and is welcomed by the community i bet) although your disposition in asserting yourself as being an ‘old and experienced and very qualified pro’ is suggesting that the rest of us in here may lapse any qualifications that you may hold merit to? Just saying…

    Further to this, and as you have been around a while, i personally have met many individuals from this forum and have found many many relationships that i feel warrant further exploration through mutual business opportunities and have met several of these contacts clients and extended family and not oncehave i had a client expect me to prepack any lube of any sort to take their ‘direction’ as you state. Taking personal pride in the way i conduct my small business i value clients that respect what we do for them, if anyone comes into my business yelling and attempting to deploy derogatory (and unethical in my eyes) ‘business’ tactics i would certainly be showing them the front door before they could finish the sentence that offended me.

    Now, most people on here see me as selling furniture, although i tell you i too like many other small business owners on FS have a very well accredited background that could in some eyes surpass many ‘qualified’ roles in the business world. Not here to beat my own drum, although there appear to have been a few assumptions made.

    It is pleasing to hear you are very successful although maybe a little concerning to hear you will accept being called “the biggest loser, thief, and many other swear words he likes, SO LONG AS I END UP WITH HIS MONEY AT A PROFIT”…. only say concerning as i struggle to forgo my beliefs such as respect, integrity and the likes and i believe this is what makes me different to others out there.. A little bit of honesty…

    Anyways, post certainly not about bashing anyone over the head.. but from an outsiders perspective it appears you have very clear ideals in how you conduct your business which includes your web site.. Some of the people who have replied do beautiful web sites and i know that they spend far too many hours for the fixed rates they clearly quote on their web sites to ensure they deliver beautifully functioning web sites for their clients…

    “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is a lot.”.. Albert Einstein

    Cheers
    Jason

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    Craig.Smith, post: 203864 wrote:
    Hi Evan,

    I would be mindful about belittling the IT profession, the tone of your posts come across very arrogant. Most IT professionals are highly qualified and skilled with either a 3-4yr degree (computer science, software engineering etc) and optional honors. Plus external certifications undertaken yearly to maintain their skills.

    It seems you want this website built for nothing. My suggestion would be if you have the spare time and the know how, do some online courses on some basic HTML, Javascript, scripting, SEO, SEM and do it yourself. Research your competitors, find a ~$50 template and modify it to suit your needs. Otherwise just post a job up on freelancer or odesk and hope for the best.

    Hi Craig

    I actually studied IT at uni as a degree. I specialised in software engineering. I write in Cobal, C++ and have studied java. I even own Borland Professional development platform. I stopped at an Adv Dip level when I realised all the interviews I was getting were saying the same answer. I had too much management experience and they did not believe that, even though I studied full time and self funded, someone with my experience was serious about a career change. As I said I am old school and I do business straight. I have worked with and for some of the wealthiest people in Australia and that’s the way I learned from them when I was young and impressionable. It is not arrogance as I once thought it was also. It is just business. Maybe I am an old dog that can’t learn new tricks. But I am not so arrogant that I can’t take a bit of criticism when it comes from the man I am trying to get money from. If that is what it takes to be in IT then I am glad I stopped when I did.

    I admit I am too lazy/busy to bother becoming a serious web programmer. But that does not mean I need to take the I am so great attitude handed out by many Aussie web designers. Compared to serious software design and coding I must admit I do feel basic website building like the one I want is the bottom end of IT and Aussies really aren’t any better at these basic types of sites. And compared to the attitude I have received from even the USA and Canadian programmers I have used in the past. Aussie site builders (not all) are way over the top in the self importance stakes.

    I really was trying to support local forum members, just not the greedy ones that do make a fortune out of doing sites for people that do not have the IT skills and overseas experience that I have.

    I have been to Melbourne and Sydney on business tripe for clients. I have been to the piers in Sydney and seen the Porsches, and other exotic toys parked around the website development offices so I assume it is the website design and promotion people that do drive them given the high concentration in that area. So I think I am also even more qualified to know when people are making a fortune out of the young and inexperienced Yuppies (I actually hate that word but it fits in this context.) Because like others have said, they don’t play hard business they accept what is said by self proclaimed gurus and just hand over the money. They do it when dealing with accountants too.

    As for wanting the website for nothing – NO- but as for not wanting to be treated like an immature and inexperienced business person YES.

    regards
    Evan

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    nighttax, post: 203870 wrote:
    I have been to Melbourne and Sydney on business tripe for clients. I have been to the piers in Sydney and seen the Porsches, and other exotic toys parked around the website development offices so I assume it is the website design and promotion people that do drive them given the high concentration in that area. So I think I am also even more qualified to know when people are making a fortune out of the young and inexperienced Yuppies (I actually hate that word but it fits in this context.) Because like others have said, they don’t play hard business they accept what is said by self proclaimed gurus and just hand over the money. They do it when dealing with accountants too.Pure gold! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it after a long and trying week!
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    nighttax, post: 203870 wrote:
    Hi Craig

    I have been to Melbourne and Sydney on business tripe for clients. I have been to the piers in Sydney and seen the Porsches, and other exotic toys parked around the website development offices so I assume it is the website design and promotion people that do drive them given the high concentration in that area. So I think I am also even more qualified to know when people are making a fortune out of the young and inexperienced Yuppies (I actually hate that word but it fits in this context.) Because like others have said, they don’t play hard business they accept what is said by self proclaimed gurus and just hand over the money. They do it when dealing with accountants too.

    As for wanting the website for nothing – NO- but as for not wanting to be treated like an immature and inexperienced business person YES.

    regards
    Evan

    Please tell me where the Porsche’s are parked I want to go work there. #toyotadriver

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