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    seocourse
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    It’s good to be open and to share knowledge, so why not also share information about other SEO professionals…
    (And … no… I’m not one of them :p)

    here is my pick of the SEO guys I would hire if I wasn’t in this industry:
    http://www.internetninja.com.au/bring-the-good-aussie-seo-professionals/
    (funny wise many of them are from this forum)

    Apologies to JohnW for not being included in this list… ( but you seem to be a ghost my dear JohnW I coudn’t find a lot of public info about you)

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    Thanks for the list.

    I know nothing about SEO but I do need it for my own website.
    I checked out your list and the majority in the list rank ‘0’ in Google ranking?
    The only one that stood out was JEX with a 4.

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    seocourse
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    Page Rank should be taken as Muscle …
    SEO companies are Body builders.

    some SEO consultants are not body builders.. instead “Personal trainers”.

    who will you hire to help you to get fit? A body builder? or a personal trainer?

    ;) Page Rank doesn’t mean a thing…

    Usually the way SEO companies get pagerank is by putting a lovely link in the sites of their expensive corporate clients.

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    Ah, ok, so in my industry … multimedia, web design etc, some of the worst website companies rank high in Google ranking and Google search. Is this because they churn out heaps of cheap websites and include links to their business in these websites ?

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    sensory fx, post: 73074 wrote:
    Ah, ok, so in my industry … multimedia, web design etc, some of the worst website companies rank high in Google ranking and Google search. Is this because they churn out heaps of cheap websites and include links to their business in these websites ?

    That is exactly right – it is very easy for online services to get links this way.

    You may want to consider doing the same – always ask the client first though. A couple points – do not put the link in the footer, towards the top left is better. Ensure you use optimal anchor text for your link eg. don’t link as ‘multimedia design by sensory fx‘ link as ‘multimedia design australia by sensory fx’

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    seocourse, post: 73060 wrote:
    Apologies to JohnW for not being included in this list… ( but you seem to be a ghost my dear JohnW I coudn’t find a lot of public info about you)
    Hi Gab,
    No offence taken. I’m a shrinking violet that comes from a generation that does not go in for blowing its own trumpet.

    For your records, I’m a marketing professional who graduated back in the 70’s. We had no Internet then – another reason why your research results were slim.

    I turned to offerering Internet marketing services in 1994. That’s well before Google and the the first use of the term “SEO”.

    We were hand coding web pages in text editors back then. Most of the stuff I’ve done and the people/companies I’ve done it for are no longer in the industry. More reasons why references to me are hard to find.

    I’ve never positioned my self as an SEO Consultant. I prefer a broader definition of Internet Marketing Consultant.

    All the above said, I am more than happy for people to assess my knowledge of SEO based on the 350 posts I’ve made on Flying Solo to date. (http://www.flyingsolo.com.au/forums/search.php?searchid=150473). :-)
    Regs,
    JohnW

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    JohnW
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    sensory fx, post: 73072 wrote:
    I know nothing about SEO but I do need it for my own website.
    I checked out your list and the majority in the list rank ‘0’ in Google ranking?
    What sounds like a completely logical basis for judging the capabilities of an SEO consultant is in fact totally misleading once someone provides you with some additional facts. I’ll do my best here.

    I’m sure the people on Gab’s list ALL know what is needed to rank #1 for a specific search phrase. The fact that they don’t choose to chase #1 ranking for a specific search phrase speaks volumes about their expertise, not their lack of it.

    If you know what you are doing and you have adequate funding, it is easy to get a website to the top of the 1 billion pages list for an extremely competitive search term like “real estate”. All you need to do is throw a huge bundle of dollars at achieving the result. We are talking about levels of expenditure that are greater than the annual turnover of most small businesses who participate in this forum. So where is the relevance of your assessment now?

    If you explore the SEO companies that chase top rankings for frequently used search words you are likely to find they are large and expensive companies with staff overheads committed to these keyword chases. We are talking about companies who will charge $8,000 to target 20 keywords for you. Is this an SEO company targeting the marketing budgets of small businesses?

    As far as I can tell, most of the SEOs who provide invaluable info on Flying Solo are 1-3 people companies. They screw their overheads to the bone to provide a valuable service that is affordable by small businesses. That means they eliminate what may be expensive costs of chasing search phrases, simply to impress uninformed web users.

    Few business owners will be aware of the “tricks” and “tactics” available to or used by some SEO companies who want to shove their own sites up the ranking list for specific search phrases.

    If you are a “big end of town” SEO company and have clients whose websites run to millions of pages, you will want to negotiate an “accreditation” hypertext link from every one of your clients’ millions of pages. How many links is a small business website likely to generate back to their SEO consultant’s site? Sorry, your SEO consultant is dead in the ranking battle unless you also publish a million pages.

    Reality Check: You are in a 10th division league and making a judgement that you expect to rank top of the 1st division league.

    That single accreditation link ranking attribute could bury any chances of the specialist small business SEOs on Flying Solo from out ranking a big end of town SEO for specific search phrases.

    Then there are tricks like free give-aways that create links back to the SEO’s website. At least one SEO company offered a free page counter that could be inserted on any company’s web pages. This program was included on scores of thouands of web pages and it created this many hypertext links back to the SEO company’s site. This was a short term result activity that no doubt generated results for the SEO company that used it but no reputable SEO would want to implement this type of strategy on any client’s site.

    Perhaps the biggest attempt at manipilation is through using business directory websites. Some SEOs set up free business directory websites that can run into millions of pages. Down the bottom of every page will be a series of links back to their corporate SEO site.

    When it comes to providing SEO services to small business clients, none will be able to afford the cost of all these ranking manipiulation techniques.

    I hope I’ve convinced you that your assessment of SEO skills leaves a lot to be desired?
    Regs,
    JohnW

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    That was a good read but I’m not sure I agree. It’s like choosing a web designer with a cr*ppy website. Fair enough they might not rank no 1 for the most competitive keyword but I think they should rank well for something – if not they should provide case studied about rankings they have achieved for clients. If they don’t have any proof then how can they have credibility?

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    websitedesigner, post: 77453 wrote:
    That was a good read but I’m not sure I agree. It’s like choosing a web designer with a cr*ppy website. Fair enough they might not rank no 1 for the most competitive keyword but I think they should rank well for something – if not they should provide case studied about rankings they have achieved for clients. If they don’t have any proof then how can they have credibility?

    you don’t agree with?

    My post was about “SEO professionals” … not companies

    Who say they don’t have any proof?

    The point behind the post it’s not about
    “Guys that rank 1st for keywords”
    it’s about young honest, direct, straight people, that don’t pretend being something they are not and they provide some type of quality to their customers.

    If the point is… about Page Rank?

    Well…SEO guys are not like web designers
    we usually don’t drop our “web design” anchor in the footer…. lol

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    seocourse, post: 77455 wrote:
    you don’t agree with?
    Hold on Gab,
    Was that comment directed at you or me?

    Keep your powder dry until we find out who is taking aim.

    If it’s me, I think I can protect your honour.

    Regs,
    JohnW

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    My two cents – SEO, when done correctly is a good way to get traffic to your site. The thing is, once a visitor lands on your site, what happens. Do they stay on your site or do they leave? Do they convert into a lead or a sale or do you never see them again?

    Getting traffic to your site is one part of the equation, converting traffic into business is where the real work begins.

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    Not only that but they have to be the right visitors in the first place! There is a big difference between tyre-kickers searching head terms like ‘jewellery’ (or God forbid, looking for images) and visitors who are searching for something specific. :)

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    Aidan, post: 77500 wrote:
    Not only that but they have to be the right visitors in the first place! There is a big difference between tyre-kickers searching head terms like ‘jewellery’ (or God forbid, looking for images) and visitors who are searching for something specific. :)

    Agree with this – which is why SEO is still important and why you need to be strategic in how you approach the keyword research for your client. With a bit of work, most websites can attain ranking on a number of keywords.

    However the money is in the conversion. Who wants a website with a lot of traffic that doesn’t translate into new business or revenue?

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