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    DreamscanbeVisions
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    Hi everybody hope you’re all doing well.

    I have a question as to who’s had experience in regards to using the following techniques to rank a website.

    1. Create web pages with PM (phrase match) domains or close like (keyword)scheap.com.au. Then do all relevant on-page seo.

    2. Use spun articles which have been semi-manually spun & using article marketing robot to mass submit to authoritative blogs, directories & web 2.0’s.

    3. Have the anchor text links vary & link to different pages of youtube video, manually written hub pages, etc.

    4. Link all of the latter web 2.0’s to the original website (keyword)scheap.com.au.

    5. Have all of the web 2.0’s mass bookmarked & mass liked, commented, viewed, etc.

    6. Link (keyword)scheap.com.au to money site.

    Note* Proxies would’ve been used for the bookmarking,etc & the article syndication.

    Rest, Rinse, Repeat. What do you guys think ?

    Regards.

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    From what I’ve read that’s how many successful sites/people operate.

    Personally I think anything article-spun is annoying & unethical.

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    OneArmedGraphics, post: 87425 wrote:
    From what I’ve read that’s how many successful sites/people operate.

    Personally I think anything article-spun is annoying & unethical.

    If you spin the articles semi-manually it can remain a beneficial read for the reader hence why I think if you do it right, it’s ethical since the purpose of educating is fulfilled.

    Hopefully some of the “big boys” have something to share :D

    Regards.

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    If you are into business purely to make money, why don’t you just do it the easy way? :)

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    The honest answer is that this technique CAN work for some websites, as long as it is done right. If you spread content thinly, spin articles and have lots of sites that interlink, then there is a chance that you are putting in a lot of work for not very much gain. In the first instance I would work on creating something provocative, or clever/interesting on the first domain and encourage people to link to that first.

    If you do want to go down this path, I highly recommend thinking about how to do it in a non-spam way. This means YouTube channel, sure put some short 30 second ads up about your business, wordpress.com – sure create a separate blog where you can write about your industry away from your company blog. Then you can book mark and article spin pointed at these seperate sites to your hearts content.

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    I’d be concerned about:

    1. Any activities that run up link numbers too quickly.
    2. Publishing content on other sites in preference to your own.
    3. “Quality” blogs – what do you mean?
    4. Web 2 links – what do you mean?
    5. Are we talking about “links” and “citations” here? I don’t think “citations” are creating much effect on SE rankings.

    If your intention is to obtain top point scoring links for specific search words, I don’t think you can achieve that with an automated process.

    You may have trouble identifying and posting “follow” links with specific link text on blogs that give you good and sustained link scores.

    What web 2 links do you mean – Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter? If so, I think they will probably be almost meaningless in link value.

    I’d love to know the range of possible values associated with all the parameters used in Google’s links scoring algorithm. Some years ago I read a study that came up with a range of 1 – 100. That must be so underestimated these days.

    With all the user generated content, scraper programs and other ways of mass publishing content, I’d guess that Google would be continuously cranking up the link value potential number as a way of controlling good search results.

    The bottom line is, if there is a simple way to “game” the SE results, the SEs will block it off.

    Regs,
    JohnW

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    The strategy works for lots of webmasters though I’m not sure how effective it would be for the more competitive keywords.

    John W already mentions the need to watch the speed of the link development and the need for good followed links so I take it you are going to publish guest posts on those blogs rather than look for comment links. Using juiced up 2.0’s like that is pretty common, its a pretty effective way to leverage their high authorities.

    SEO’s are now starting to treat their own blog networks and guest posts (on other blogs) as part of the inner tier along with the 2.0’s, probably a good idea as eveyone and his dog seems to be using the Squidoos and Hubpages too much!

    Be careful with linking the inner tier together as a linkwheel though – I have experimented with that sort of thing for fun and seen initial successes followed soon after by massive de-ranking as G devalues the backlinks! It didn’t get the test domains penalised or anything serious, just had big ranking drops which were hard to recover.

    Of course all those backlinks (and their backlinks in turn) could be replaced with a few good solid ones if you had access to them – could save about 3 tons of work!

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    @John Sheppard – This is the easiest way I know of :)


    @createdevelop
    – I’m quite interested in what you have to say, so are you saying I shouldn’t interlink i.e from a Hubpage, youtube video, article etc & vice versa. To better illustrate:

    I should not link article A to article B & then link article B back to article A ? I wasn’t going to do this anyway as I would like there to be an upward pyramid structure starting with articles.

    Are you saying before I implement the pyramid strategy I should make sure the content being linked to provocative, etc & having genuine links from geunine authority sites within the niche, then maybe two weeks later use the pyramid strategy, slowly ?

    In regards to non-spammy, I was deffinetly looking at getting geuine youtube videos, FB pages, etc & have them done professionally. After this I was going to juice them up.

    With using wordpress blogs – what do you think of blog posts on auto-pilot ? It this good enough for providing information on a daily/weekly basis that will help google see the website as active & authoritative ?




    @JohnW
    – 1. I’ll surely be creating links, likes, etc at a gradual pace.
    2. There will be content published on the money & buffer site on a consistent basis, still a problem ?
    3. Authoritative blogs mainly web 2.0s like hubpages, etc.
    4. http://web2magazine.blogspot.com/2007/01/thanks-for-web-2.html
    5. We’re talking about links which people click

    Anyway thanks for your insight JohnW but google is not a goddess.




    @Aidan
    – I’ve read & learnt alot from you personally so thanks for commenting, could you let me know the different between guest posts & comments, also how do people of your stature ask for a link or article space on authoritative sites in the niche ?

    “SEO’s are now starting to treat their own blog networks and guest posts (on other blogs) as part of the inner tier”. – I didn’t even think of having blogs running external to the buffer or main site so thank you for this :D

    With link wheels – I assume this is when different links from different sites end up indirectly re-connecting. I was thinking of having the pyramid go from the bottom articles etc, straight to the top, hence no links going back down the pyramid & no links connecting like this: Site A link to Site B which link to Site C which link to A (big no no right ?)

    I deffinetly want to do this right so I can just replicate the methods across a range of different products.

    Thanks for the responses & do keep them coming!

    I love learning seo so let’s share ideas, etc :D

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    My two cents – we have seen over the last few years especially with Panda – Google cracking down on scraped and spun content. If a company has the intent to actually make a different and add something of value into the marketplace, this should be rewarded…not article spinners and the like.

    Why aren’t business owners paying more attention in adding value to the marketplace with genuine input and ideas instead of polluting the online ecosystem with spam?

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    agentlocal, post: 87566 wrote:
    My two cents – we have seen over the last few years especially with Panda – Google cracking down on scraped and spun content. If a company has the intent to actually make a different and add something of value into the marketplace, this should be rewarded…not article spinners and the like.

    Why aren’t business owners paying more attention in adding value to the marketplace with genuine input and ideas instead of polluting the online ecosystem with spam?

    Google can’t see the difference between a genuine article & a spun article if you do it right.

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    DreamscanbeVisions, post: 87556 wrote:
    Anyway thanks for your insight JohnW but google is not a goddess.
    Hi Combo,
    Google’s no goddess, she’s a slave driver!

    I’m first to admit I’m in an area of completely subjective opinion, not facts with this thread.

    It’s gratifying to read Aidan’s experience as it seems to support my “gut feel”.

    There is also a thread started by Gab about G’s transience in reflecting SEO activity which, knowing Gab’s SEO tactics, could have echoes of this discussion. (http://www.flyingsolo.com.au/forums/search-engines-etc/15349-let-google-breath-seriously.html).

    What I think this is boiling down to is how do you get the biggest SE ranking bang for your buck with various link building strategies.

    No simple answer offered.

    It may boil down to your level of creativity.

    Opinion, not fact:
    I’m sceptical of the value of links from sites like Hubpages, Squidoo and other web 2 sites. You can use SEO tools that tell you that sites like these have huge page or domain values but that is complete garbage in terms of link value (that’s a fact).

    I use a simpler tool, I ask Google. G tells me it has indexed 2 mill. Hubpages pages. It also tells me Hubpages have 40,000 pages that contain the word “loans” – as a max. 2% of this site is about “loans”.

    By this assessment, Hubpages have very little to do with the topic of “loans” therefore on average, SEs won’t give links from it a high value for search terms that include “loans”.

    I know this is over-simplistic but if you are using one of the countless SEO tools, my “average” method is no more simplistic than their “average” methods.

    My opinion is that Aidan nailed it with:

    “Of course all those backlinks (and their backlinks in turn) could be replaced with a few good solid ones if you had access to them – could save about 3 tons of work!”

    If you put the effort into developing unique and compelling content on your own site that other people will then want to link to and promote on their sites, I think you will achieve a bigger bang for your buck than spinning articles, chasing web 2 links, etc.

    To achieve this, think outside the square.

    Try Flying Solo as an example. It does not need to chase all the SEO tactics you discuss here. It gets its “authority” and SE referrals because it has Forums that people want to read and link to. We’ve created most of the 125,000 web pages for them.

    All this free content we generate is creating the majority of the traffic to the Flying Solo site. Aren’t we good to them?

    Regs,
    JohnW

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    JohnW, post: 87581 wrote:
    Hi Combo,
    Google’s no goddess, she’s a slave driver!

    I’m first to admit I’m in an area of completely subjective opinion, not facts with this thread.

    It’s gratifying to read Aidan’s experience as it seems to support my “gut feel”.

    There is also a thread started by Gab about G’s transience in reflecting SEO activity which, knowing Gab’s SEO tactics, could have echoes of this discussion. (http://www.flyingsolo.com.au/forums/search-engines-etc/15349-let-google-breath-seriously.html).

    What I think this is boiling down to is how do you get the biggest SE ranking bang for your buck with various link building strategies.

    No simple answer offered.

    It may boil down to your level of creativity.

    Opinion, not fact:
    I’m sceptical of the value of links from sites like Hubpages, Squidoo and other web 2 sites. You can use SEO tools that tell you that sites like these have huge page or domain values but that is complete garbage in terms of link value (that’s a fact).

    I use a simpler tool, I ask Google. G tells me it has indexed 2 mill. Hubpages pages. It also tells me Hubpages have 40,000 pages that contain the word “loans” – as a max. 2% of this site is about “loans”.

    By this assessment, Hubpages have very little to do with the topic of “loans” therefore on average, SEs won’t give links from it a high value for search terms that include “loans”.

    I know this is over-simplistic but if you are using one of the countless SEO tools, my “average” method is no more simplistic than their “average” methods.

    My opinion is that Aidan nailed it with:

    “Of course all those backlinks (and their backlinks in turn) could be replaced with a few good solid ones if you had access to them – could save about 3 tons of work!”

    If you put the effort into developing unique and compelling content on your own site that other people will then want to link to and promote on their sites, I think you will achieve a bigger bang for your buck than spinning articles, chasing web 2 links, etc.

    To achieve this, think outside the square.

    Try Flying Solo as an example. It does not need to chase all the SEO tactics you discuss here. It gets its “authority” and SE referrals because it has Forums that people want to read and link to. We’ve created most of the 125,000 web pages for them.

    All this free content we generate is creating the majority of the traffic to the Flying Solo site. Aren’t we good to them?

    Regs,
    JohnW

    I must admit you’ve provided some very wise & valuable info. I do believe the pyramid structure can be powerful & I will implement it though I do believe it depends on the niche & how competitor’ sites have been optimized.

    With the forum idea I thought of this a long time ago but you deffinetly nailed how powerful it can be.

    I understand where you’re coming from in regards to quality over quantity but I’ve read that what remains precedent is whether people actually click the link & view the end page or not.

    Google mainly cares if people who click on the link find the link’s destination of interest e.g time spent on page, pages viewed, etc.

    Assuming a visitor clicks from a relevant hubpage & another clicks from a small niche forum & keeping all factors such as time spent on page, etc the same – Big G would boost the site’s authority mainly because of the hubpage’s authority status compared to the small niche forum, your thoughts ?

    Also if let’s say big G prefers the small niche forum – How can we efficiently get 1000’s of placements on relevant small niche forums ? Ask each & every one of them & offer money ? (too expensive & efficient from how I see it).

    Is there another way to juice niche websites without the use of articles yet keep it as efficient as possible ?

    I believe the mass article submission, etc if done right can be good as long as it remain under a certain % of all the incoming links – hence diversification, I believe is the key.

    If I’m missing any piece to the puzzle or if there’s other things that can be done which I’m not aware of please – let us discuss.

    Kind regards.

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    Also I thought I’d add that if the niche being targetted is of mid-low competition then placing a nicely spun article in hubpages etc will rank on perhaps page 2 of the search engine especially since a mass submission of articles (or anything else?) would be juicing the web 2.0.

    What I get from it more people will see the article, larger % of people will click the link, more people will be on your site – voila!

    Moreover if done on an international scale e.g targetting the U.S for the keyword a whole bunch of people will be clicking the link to your site relative to the people even searching for the keyword in AU.

    The latter must be quite powerful in regards to passing off some juice, yes ?

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    DreamscanbeVisions, post: 87578 wrote:
    Google can’t see the difference between a genuine article & a spun article if you do it right.

    This is my point though – why are business owners clogging the online space with, for lack of a better word, crap, just to generate more links to their site.

    1 Genuine article, written from a place of honesty, experience or reality with generate far more buzz and meaningful connections than a spun article ever could.

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    agentlocal, post: 87585 wrote:
    This is my point though – why are business owners clogging the online space with, for lack of a better word, crap, just to generate more links to their site.

    1 Genuine article, written from a place of honesty, experience or reality with generate far more buzz and meaningful connections than a spun article ever could.

    Yes but these genuine articles etc will be on the main site.

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